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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 06:13 AM
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Alaska Enacts Firearms Freedom Act – 8 States Have Now Passed FFA’s
Washington, DC --(Ammoland.com)- Alaska became the 8th state to enact a Firearms Freedom Act, the 7th enacted clone of Montana’s original bill, when Alaska Governor Sean Parnell signed HB 186, sponsored by Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Fairbanks) today.

In a prepared statement, Rep. Kelly said: “The Alaska Firearms Freedom Act frees Alaskans from overly-bureaucratic and restrictive federal firearm regulation, and allows our state to assume the responsibility for regulation.”

“The Interstate Commerce Clause is used by the federal government to regulate firearms that cross state borders. The Alaska Firearms Freedom Act makes it clear that Alaskans will be responsible for firearms that are made in Alaska, for use in Alaska, and have ‘Made in Alaska’ stamped on them.”


“Outdoorsmen, hunters and all Alaskans defending and feeding their families, and protecting their property, should welcome this new law.”

http://www.ammoland.com/
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 06:41 AM
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1. I like the idea but I wouldn't want to be the test case NT
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 06:53 AM
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2. Great idea
until someone in my state is murdered with an Alaskan gun. I guess we can pass a law and hold Alaska responsible for damage. Perhaps you could point out how Alaskans defending and feeding their families, and protecting their property are now restricted from doing so. Oh I forgot, Obama "really" wants too, and has a secret plan to take away everyones guns.
:sarcasm:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 07:32 AM
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4. All current Federal gun bans are a problem in my opinion.

I'm willing to negotiate how one keep and bears arms, but clearly bans are overstepping.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:45 AM
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11. Which of those current bans are a problem?
Can't you pass a NICS test?
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 09:07 AM
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16. Yes I can pass NICS. NICS has nothing to do with Federal gun bans

In particular, I'm speaking of the cynical moratorium on non-leo folks purchasing newly made machine guns. I'm fine with the NFA requiring special background checks and paperwork, but to say that owning machines guns is legal but the Fed won't allow anymore to be made is a clearly an attempt to keep these guns out of the hands of law abiding folks.

Even more indefensible is the banning of importation of semi-automatic rifles (through sporting purpose clause) that would be legal to make and purchase if only they were made in the USA.


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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 06:35 PM
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24. How does the Alaskan Firearms Freedom Act
affect you in a real way? Do you truly believe that your life is more in danger because I can by an Alaskan ( or in my case Coloradan) fire arm W/out a background check? I can already do that now, it just has to be a used gun.
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 07:43 AM
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5. I believe these laws
are the b beginning of a long overdue state mandated correction in the over reaching hand of the Fed, particularly as it pertains to the commerce clause. Also in this category are mandatory sentencing guidelines, and drug laws (mainly MJ)...overall I like to see states slap the hand of the Fed...it doesn't happen often enough for my liking.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:46 AM
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12. So, you stand with Rand Paul
on civil rights?
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pipoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 09:08 AM
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17. I've not the vaguest
idea what Rand Paul or his dad stands for on any issue. I do stand with Cali and Colorado, etal on their MJ laws in conflict with federal overstepping based on an erroneous assertion that somehow pot grown and consumed within a state is STILL subject to their regulation based on the commerce clause...if the state agrees, fine, if the state declines fed regulation, that should be their business. I also believe that if my state wants to enact legislation which allows me, as a resident of this state, to purchase and consume a product, any product, which is fully manufactured in this state, without federal interference, then the feds should stay out of the state's business. I tend to like state sovereignty as long as the state isn't violating Constitutionally protected rights of the citizens...this seems to be a expansion of rights for the residents of the state.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 01:52 PM
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23. As much as you stand W/ Nancy Pelosi on gun rights. NT
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 09:04 AM
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15. You can slap them if you like
But there is a price . The IRS for instance ,will simply bury your tax cheating ass for their own incompetence , feigned incompetence(fraud) ,and fabrications . The ATF however, will shoot your kids over them , and profit .

Who's up for a couple years worth of daily "train of abuses and usurpations" posts ?
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 07:49 AM
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6. It's no secret at all. It's been out in the open for years. But gun owners are aware and engaged...
And the anti RKBA politicians are having to delay their shenanigans due to the potential political costs. Washington(DC) can't even keep its own streets or people safe. But they can and do make sure that the thugs don't have to contend with armed victims. I feel so secure knowing that these people want to duplicate this sorry state of affairs across the country.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:49 AM
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13. Seem to me that there are
fewer and fewer anti RKBA politicians in the country, even our party. But, there seems to be a large increase in fear mongering among the ideologues.
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 09:16 AM
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18. They're still there. They are merely waiting for the political winds to shift.
The task before us then, is to insure that the shift never occurs. If the desire for survival and self determination of one's own fate makes one an ideologue then so be it.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 12:30 PM
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20. Which ideologues are you talking about? NRA? GOA? The Brady Center? VPC?


There is lots of fear mongering on both sides of the issue. Blood in the streets versus taking guns away.

Don't you agree?
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:10 AM
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7. There you go again
"until someone in my state is murdered with an Alaskan gun"


What does the state/country of origin of a firearm have to do with anything? Would a crime be less severe if committed with a firearm manufactured in accordance with federal law?

"OMFG, he was shot with a gun made in Alaska, he's much more dead than he'd normally be."


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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:19 AM
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9. If he was shot with a non-Alaskan gun, would he then be only mostly dead?
Inconceivable!;)
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:43 AM
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10. No, the only difference it would make
is that anyone could purchase a handgun in Alaska without a NICS check. That's about the only difference it would make. Alaska has pretty liberal gun laws, so what interference does Federal law have on anyone there? Does the Federal law hamper, in anyway, one's ability the hunt, target practice or defend themself? That is unless they can't pass the NICS check. It would also remove any Federal laws on the safe manufacture of firearms. No one has explained what it would change other than what I have mentioned. Once a firearm moves from a different state it becomes interstate. Can anyone make sure it stays intrastate?

This law is about as bullshit as Arizona's new law on brown people. It just makes teabaggers and ideologues feel good. These states will spend a lot of money and be defeated in court. I'd bet $ on that.
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east texas lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 11:55 AM
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19. This law is about as bullshit as Arizona's new law on brown people.
Edited on Sun May-30-10 12:03 PM by east texas lib
Here's Mexico's laws regulating brown people. You may note that misdemeanor offenses under the Arizona laws are felonies with prision time under similar Mexican statutes. Interesting, yes?


http://www.mexicanlaws.com/?gclid=CPrd6Kan-qECFRRM5QodeFa5GA
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 12:35 PM
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21. People can already buy a handgun in Ohio without a NICS check
Edited on Sun May-30-10 12:36 PM by aikoaiko
It would have to be a previously purchased one from a fellow resident, but a NICS check would not be required (f I understand Ohio law correctly).

Does it really matter that gun was bought new in Alaska with a NICS check or used in Ohio with a NICS check?
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:52 AM
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14. Would there be less gun accidents
without regulations on the safety of guns manufactured? Would there be less crimes with no NICS checks and Federal laws on criminals and insane people freely purchasing?
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 01:29 PM
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22. "less crimes with no NICS(?)" - How often we tend to forget
that there used to be no such thing as a NICS.....until some Republican busybody got the Federal Gubmint involved in the personal lives of law-abiding citizens.


How's that worked out for you since?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 07:20 AM
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3. I do know that the feds have done a terrible job of "controling" guns - the AWB that did nothing
but gained publicity for the politicians who suppoerte it, the fascist BATF that likes to make up its laws definitions and rules as is convenient - for them. The Feds have usually ignored any rights of the people, and I mean both Democratic and republican parties while using gun issues as political material, much as they have done with abortion and gay rights.

There are problems with state control, but the Feds have long since stopped caring about the regular US citizens wants and desires and I think someone else has to take over what they have abdicated.
Just make sure it is not the right.


mark
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Tejas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-10 08:15 AM
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8. Such as Carolyn McCarthy et al with "things that go up"
One politico trying to rule the rest of the country from a tiny throne. They just don't get the concept that one size does not fit all.
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