GUNS IN THE NEWS--January 8, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[demsrule4life]

1. Police: Homeowner Kills Alleged Intruder

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Sacramento police are investigating a fatal shooting involving a homeowner and a pair of alleged intruders in his home.

http://www.thekcrachannel.com/news/2747895/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

5. Why was he in danger in the first place, I wonder

Oh yeah.....

"The same two male Hispanic teens forced their way into the residence. One of them was armed with a handgun. The (homeowner) retreated and took cover behind a chair where he does exchange a couple rounds of fire," Sacramento Police Department Sgt. Justin Risley said.

[Superfly]

6. What?

:shrug:

[demsrule4life]

7. Guess he would of been safe

if they only had knives, pipes or baseball bats.

[MrBenchley]

13. Maybe they wouldn't have attempted it without a gun

[demsrule4life]

14. Two young punks, one older man

I would call it hunting in a pack, guns or other weapons they figured they were going after weaker prey.

[MrBenchley]

15. Two kids and a grown-up

But as the RKBA crowd loves to thump their chests and boast, "guns are an equalizer"

[slackmaster]

19. In this case obviously the gun DID serve as an equalizer

Good thing the old man had one.

[slackmaster]

9. It's the old "gun vs. gun doesn't count" theory

If you use a gun to defend yourself against someone armed with a gun, it doesn't count as a valid DGU because if guns didn't exist the incident would have been played out with frozen fish.

If you use a gun to defend yourself against someone who is unarmed or armed with a lesser weapon like a knife, it doesn't count as a valid DGU becase it wasn't a fair fight.

:freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak:

[demsrule4life]

10. First rule of a gun fight

Have a gun, second rule of a gunfight, never play fair.

[slackmaster]

11. Never bring a fork to a knife fight

And never bring a knife to a gun fight.

[demsrule4life]

12. Never bring a pistol to a

rifle fight.

[MrBenchley]

16. Sounds like the kids followed your rules, dems

[slackmaster]

17. Following your alleged logic

Had the old man not owned a gun, the punks wouldn't have brought one when they came to rob him?

:freak:

[demsrule4life]

18. But better tactics win every time :)

[Wcross]

38. would have been played out with frozen fish.......

I would go with a frozen catfish, I have been hit with one and it hurt! Thats only if I couldn't get to my frozen "assault swordfish".........Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaa!

[MrBenchley]

2. Oregon School Shooter Seeks New Trial

"GRANTS PASS, Ore. - A young man sentenced to nearly 112 years in prison for killing his parents and going on a deadly shooting rampage at his high school in 1998 is seeking a new trial, claiming evidence of his insanity was disregarded.
Kinkel was 15 when he shot and killed his parents in their home. A day later he drove to Thurston High School in Springfield. Armed with three guns, he sprayed a hallway and the cafeteria with bullets, killing two students and wounding 25. Students tackled Kinkel and disarmed him.
The closest Kinkel came to explaining his actions was in a note he left at home, saying his parents could never live with the embarrassment of his expulsion from school for having a gun in his locker. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=2&u=/ap/20040108/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting

[CO Liberal]

3. Husband suspected in wife's slaying (Pueblo, CO)

Yet another family made safer by guns - NOT!!!

BTW, this happened a few miles from my home - Wayne

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Husband suspected in wife's slaying

By AMY MATTHEW
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN

A 46-year-old woman became the city's first murder victim of 2004 when she allegedly was killed by her husband early Wednesday morning.

Yvonne Georgia Padilla died of an apparent gunshot wound to the head, according to Pueblo County Coroner James Kramer. An autopsy will be conducted today.

Padilla's husband, Ray Henry Padilla, 48, was taken into custody outside the family home at 305 N. Bradford St., according to an arrest affidavit by Pueblo police officer Jeremy Mathews. Police went to the house a few minutes before 5:30 a.m. after receiving a 911 call from the couple's 29-year-old daughter.

"The daughter called from another location," said Deputy Police Chief John Ercul. "He (Padilla) had called her and told her what happened; she then called police."

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http://www.chieftain.com/thursday/news/index/article/6

[MrBenchley]

4. Teenage Boy Gets Probation For Fatal Shooting (TX)

Texas justice...the nation's shame.

"A judge sentenced a 15-year-old boy Wednesday to 10 years probation for fatally shooting a 15-year-old girl.
District Court Judge Carmen Kelsey ordered Steven Jones to serve his probated sentence at a residential facility. Jones must also serve 500 hours of community service, undergo individual and family therapy and enter a substance abuse program.
A jury found Jones guilty of manslaughter in late December for shooting Elizabeth Dolan at her home in April 2003. During the trial, the defendant testified that a gun in his hand accidentally went off when he tried to kiss the victim.
Robert Dolan, the father of the victim, told the judge he felt victimized by the judicial system and the jury for the punishment Jones received. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040108/lo_ksat/1947535

[MrBenchley]

8. Shooting Death Investigated In Local Community (OH)

"Police are investigating a shooting death in a local community.
Officers in Hamilton were called to a back lot at 577 South Second Street just before 2 a.m. Thursday for a report of a man shot, WLWT Eyewitness News 5 reported.
The man was taken to Ft. Hamilton Hughes Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040108/lo_wlwt/1948375

[MrBenchley]

20. Three adults, baby shot to death in rural Georgia

"Three adults and a 10-month-old baby were found shot to death early Thursday in two homes in rural Georgia, and three young girls were missing and feared kidnapped.
Gordon County Sheriff's spokesman Clent Harris said an arrest warrant for suspicion of murder had been issued for Jerry William Jones, 31, identified as the father of two of the missing girls and former stepfather of the third.
       Authorities said that they believe Jones took all three girls and that the children are in danger.
       The murder scenes at the two homes in northwest Georgia showed that the killer was ''very methodical,'' Georgia Bureau of Investigation spokesman John Bankhead said. "

http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap01-08-063431.asp?t=apnew&vts=1820040736

What were the two rules, again?

[demsrule4life]

21. Guess that fucks up your logic

If the three adults, and of course the baby did'nt have a gun why did this scumbag bring a gun and shoot them?

[MrBenchley]

22. Geeze, dems...

Didn't see anything in your rules about anybody else having to have a gun.

"why did this scumbag bring a gun and shoot them?"
Beccause he's a scumbag with a gun, dems. There's lots of them out there..

[demsrule4life]

23. "There's lots of them out there.."

Exactly why I carry.


"There's lots of them out there.."

Kind of knocks your theory about law abiding people wanting to carry guns as being paranoid. You have now admitted the threat is out there.

[MrBenchley]

24. And exactly why I try to get guns out of their hands.

[RoeBear]

31. Correct me if I'm wrong...

...isn't your method of keeping guns out of the 'wrong' hands accomplished by keeping guns out of as many hands as possible?

[MrBenchley]

25. Man Shot Multiple Times On North Side (PA)

"Police report that a man apparently in his 20s was found shot multiple times on the 1500 block of Boyles Street.
This is Pittsburgh's first homicide of the new year. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040108/lo_wtae/1947707

[CO Liberal]

26. That Can Hurt - Getting Shot On Your North Side......

:-)

[demsrule4life]

27. You do receive more ridicule if you

get shot on the south side.

[CO Liberal]

29. The Important Stuff's On The North Side

Just ask John Wayne Bobbit.......

[MrBenchley]

28. Denver cop shot after traffic stop

First rule of a gun fight, Have a gun, second rule of a gunfight, never play fair.

"A 17-year Denver police veteran was shot in the arm Wednesday after a gang member fleeing from a traffic stop allegedly opened fire, with his 2-year-old son strapped in a car seat just inches away.
As frantic "officer down!" calls screamed out over the scanner, dozens of cops descended on the scene. When they arrived, they found that Zamora had abandoned his son, 2, in the back seat of the Mustang. The toddler wasn't injured and was turned over to his grandfather after being wrapped in a blanket and brought to Denver Health Medical Center for observation.
The shooting sparked a massive search in the neighborhood south of Colfax. Officers cordoned off streets, cruisers prowled the pavement and choppers circled. Heavily armed police were seen searching trunks. The SWAT team huddled near the house of Zamora's girlfriend in the 1300 block of Stuart Street, in hopes he would turn up there.
As a precaution, schools within a mile radius were placed on lockdown, and police activated an alert system, warning residents to remain on the lookout from Raleigh Street to Sheridan Boulevard and from West Colfax Avenue to West Eighth Avenue.
Zamora was booked into the Denver City Jail on charges of assault to a police officer and an outstanding traffic warrant. Zamora, who has a criminal record, has previously admitted to being a member of a large, especially violent, Hispanic gang in Denver, according to court records."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2560633,00.html

[MrBenchley]

30. Police: Woman Carries Gun Into Federal Building (MI)

"A local woman was charged Tuesday after she allegedly walked into the front door of the McNamara Federal Building with a loaded gun.
The McNamara Federal Building is home to the Detroit offices of the Federal Bureau of Investigations, Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Internal Revenue Service and the Secret Service, Local 4 reported.
Federal agents were quick to disarm her, according to the station's reports. They apparently found 28 rounds of ammunition inside her purse.
"Actually, it's scary because I don't usually come here and the one time that I do, I wouldn't want something to happen," said one woman. The last time someone brought a gun into the Federal Building was on Sept. 21, 2001, when David Serra, 28, of Chesterfield Township shot and killed Protective Services Officer Ronald Sheffield. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040107/lo_wdiv/1947124

[MrBenchley]

32. Deputies, Suspects Shot In Botched Bank Robbery (LA)

"The robbery attempt happened at about 11:30 a.m. inside the Iberia Bank at 4626 Gen. Degaulle Drive.
One deputy reportedly was shot in the chest. The other was shot in the leg. They may have been working a detail at the bank at the time.
Preliminary reports indicate that two suspects also were shot and taken to the hospital. A third suspect was captured by police a short distance from the bank. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040108/lo_wdsu/1949032

[MrBenchley]

33. 2nd Victim Dies In Golf Course Shooting (HI)

"Workers at the Pali Municipal Golf Course called Honolulu police to the facility after three people were shot Wednesday afternoon. Police arrested three men in connection with the case.
It happened at about 1:15 p.m. at the Pali Golf Course's parking lot.
The three people were left in critical condition. Two of the victims were taken to the Queen's Medical Center and the other person was taken to Castle Medical Center. Two of the victims died, according to a Honolulu Police Department. One of the victims taken to Queen's Medical Center and the victim taken to Castle Medical Center. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040108/lo_kitv/1947867

[MrBenchley]

34. Local Store Clerk Shot And Killed (NC)

"Police in High Point are looking for the shooter who killed a man at a local convenience store Wednesday night.
Officials said 50-year-old Leo Alphonzo Dudley was shot inside Tommy's Self Serve on East Grimes Avenue about 6 p.m. He died an hour later at a local hospital. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040108/lo_wxii/1949169

[MrBenchley]

35. Gentilly Bar Owner Shot, Killed In Apparent Robbery (LA)

"New Orleans police are investigating the apparent robbery and shooting death of a 67-year-old Gentilly bar owner.
According to investigators, a customer was leaving the bar when two armed masked men forced him back inside and ordered the four customers and the bartender to the floor.
The bartender and owner, Emmett Sindik, ran to the rear of the bar, and one of the men leaped over the counter, chased him to the store room and opened fire, striking him several times."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040108/lo_wdsu/1948690

[RoeBear]

37. Dare to compare...

..post #1 with a happy ending to post #35 without a happy ending.

In post #1 good guy has gun.
In post #35 good guy does not have gun.

Hmmmm.

[MrBenchley]

36. Death of boy, 10, spurs plea for tips (FL)

"It could have been 1997 again, except this time, instead of mourning 5-year-old Rickia Issac, the pastors and police and politicians were gathered to share their outrage over a different stray bullet -- the one that took 10-year-old Jarobe Brooks' life.
Jarobe was sitting with neighbors on the patio of 2602 NW 48th St. when he fell forward -- a bullet in the back of his head, family members and witnesses said.
Residents said the shots that killed Jarobe came from a gunfight that began at Northwest 50th Street and 26th Avenue. A rain of bullets followed two men, maybe more, as they ran near the boy's house."

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/7660879.htm

[davidinalameda]

39. locking

older