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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:53 AM
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GUNS IN THE NEWS--January 15, 2004
As CO Liberal sez:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 08:57 AM
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1. Man Allegedly Shoots Wife, Kills Himself (NM)
"Valencia County sheriff deputies are investigating what appeared to be an attempted murder-suicide in Tome.
Deputies said Miguel Garcia, 30, shot his estranged wife, Katrina Marquez, 31, in the head, and then turned the gun on himself. Garcia died at the scene.
When deputies arrived at Marquez's trailer, they found her with a gunshot wound to the head. Wednesday night, she was in University Hospital, fighting for her life.
He said violence was a part of Garcia's past. Action 7 News found criminal charges against Garcia dating back to 1997 and he just had been released from jail in December on unrelated charges of attempted murder, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon and aggravated assault. In fact, deputies said Garcia was in jail when they served him with Marquez's restraining order. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_koat/1957796

Thanks to the GOP and the corrupt gun industry, this guy could have walked innto any gun show in New Mexico and bought a gun without a background check.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:24 AM
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2. Barricaded Man Possibly Involved In Shooting Death (OH)
"Two people are in custody following a brief standoff Thursday morning at a local home.
One of the men, who reportedly was armed with a gun, barricaded himself inside a home near the intersection of Kessler and Mitchell avenues at about 7:30 a.m., WLWT Eyewitness News 5's Monica Abler reported.
According to police, a man who was considered a hostage was able to escape after being in the home for a short time.
The hostage told police that the man barricaded in the home was involved in the shooting death of Michael Royels last Saturday, according to a Cincinnati police spokesman. Royels was shot in the face as he stepped out of Perkins Bar at the intersection of Montgomery Road and Clarion Avenue just before 11 p.m. Saturday, WLWT reported. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_wlwt/1958714
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:34 AM
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3. Man shot to death in quiet Anahuac (TX)
"Chambers County sheriff's investigators were tracking numerous leads Wednesday in the fatal shooting of a 20-year-old trade school student in the quiet county seat of Anahuac, which has not had a murder in at least five years, officials said.
The victim was identified as Christopher Russell of Anahuac.
Russell's body, with a single gunshot wound to the head, was discovered about 11:30 a.m. Saturday by a resident of Sutterfield's Trailer Park in Anahuac. Russell was slumped in the driver's seat of his car in the trailer park's parking lot, investigators said.
Department of Public Safety crime scene investigators are still processing his car for fingerprints and possible DNA evidence, Wheat said. Russell, who was unarmed, was shot at close range between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. Saturday, a medical examiner has determined. "

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2354495
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:38 AM
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4. Gun Lobby Sets Sights on Weapons Restrictions (Wash DC)
Attention those of you who belong to the NRA: your dues money in action. - Wayne

* * * * *

Gun Lobby Sets Sights on Weapons Restrictions

BY ROBERT COHEN
c.2004 Newhouse News Service

WASHINGTON --
The gun lobby is marshaling its forces for an all-out assault this year to weaken key gun-control laws and shield weapons makers from liability in lawsuits.

"Major advances for the NRA are within reach this year," said Robert Spitzer, a political science professor at the State University of New York and author of a book on the politics of gun control. "With the most sympathetic administration ever, the gun rights groups will have all their chips on the table."

Over the next weeks and months, the pro-gun lobby is expected to play those chips in a friendly, Republican-controlled Congress, pushing ahead on an agenda that has gun control forces on the defensive. Congress will consider proposals that would:

-- Amend a law that now allows FBI gun-buyer background checks to be kept for 90 days after a sale. The new law would require their destruction after 24 hours.

-- Provide immunity from liability to gun makers and dealers in civil lawsuits in federal court.

-- Extend the 10-year-old law banning semi-automatic assault weapons that expires in September. House Republican leaders oppose any effort to extend the ban.

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http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/cohen011404.html
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. Our corrupt gun industry in action...
Put the culprits in jail after the GOP's friends cash in....
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mars_clover Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
42. I hate that line...
I for one have never supported the NRA line of "Let's just enforce the laws we already have!"

This is a weak croaking voice trying to stem the creation of more laws. What it in fact says, though, is that they think the existing gun laws are just and fair. Many are not.

We SHOULD be working to reduce the number of gun laws.

Clover
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Even Better
Review the laws. Repeal those that don't work. And pass new ones that will.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:42 AM
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5. Suspects in deadly St. Paul shooting captured
"The three men, all 22, were wanted in the deaths of two men and the attempted murder of a woman, after an East Side shooting Monday that stemmed from a methamphetamine deal gone bad.
James M. Green, Michael Medal-Mendoza and Daniel J. Valtierra are each charged in Ramsey County with two counts of second-degree murder and one count of attempted second-degree murder."

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/7713065.htm
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:42 AM
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6. Fix loophole for gun buys, Butler says (AL)
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 10:07 AM by CO Liberal
Yes, Virginia, there ARE still loopholes out there. - Wayne

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Fix loophole for gun buys, Butler says

In wake of officers' deaths, state senator pushes automated commitment records


State Sen. Tom Butler said Tuesday he's leading a legislative effort to get Alabama probate court records on a computer database so they can be included in federal background checks for gun purchases.

Because those records are not automated, a background check failed to reveal that Farron Barksdale had been committed several times for mental treatment before he bought an assault rifle and used it to kill Athens police officer Tony Mims and Sgt. Larry Russell on Jan. 2.

Butler, D-Madison, said Tuesday he has been looking into the background check procedures since last week and is awaiting a report from the National Conference of State Legislators to see how others states handle the issue.

"Budgets are the biggest issue we're facing in the state, but this is an issue that seriously needs to be addressed," he said. "We need something stiffer in place, not just to protect law enforcement officers but the public as well."

<more>

http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/107410604572541.xml
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #6
12. Interestingly enough
although this guy was crazy as a shithouse rat AND high on drugs at the time, a gun store saw nothing wrong with letting him stroll out the door on Christmas Eve with an assault rifle....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=31903#31948
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Nope there was nothing wrong with it at all
gunshop followed all state and federal laws. I'm off this weekend and I think I will drive over to Larrys and buy me a new Bushmaster. Show my support. :)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:09 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. You keep right on pretending that...
And I'll keep pointing out that the gun store sold a gun to a guy who was both crazy AND high.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Store clerk shoots robber
A Shreveport store operator facing the barrel of a robber's gun handed over cash this morning, then pulled a gun and shot the bandit, police said.

http://www.ktbs.com/news-detail.html?cityid=1&hid=23108
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. Dems, Dems, Dems......
Please post these stories as replies to the original message. In that way, responses don't get mixed up.
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demsrule4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #15
55. What has caused more damage
One gun shop following the law to the letter on a gun purchase, or NJ letting some wacko nurse treat people. (Charles Cullen)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #55
56. I guess the difference is
that you don't have a bunch of fetishists in NJ trying to defend the psycho nurse, or trying to pretend that more people ought to be able to give out lethal injections....

Contrast that with all the "enthusiasts" trying to spin away criminal gun shops, or the lowlife from the shooting range....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 10:45 AM
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #57
58. Yeah, dems, it is....
He was a marginal criminal who should not have been employed by any place involved in handing out pistol permits...and the only question now is whether his hiring reflects total and utter incompetence on the part of the range's management, or deliberate corruption.

It's the sort of thing that happens when scummy Republicans and the gun lobby seize the controls of local government, such as happened in Florida....or Alabama.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. A new legal term is born?
"Marginal criminal" = One who has been accused of crimes in the past but never convicted of any.

We now have a new group of people to "marginal"ize.

:shrug:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. Some of us respect the rule of law
And don't label anyone as "criminal" until they have been convicted of a crime.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. Another difference is
that we don't have enthusiasts starting threads to show off THEIR hypodermic collection.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-04 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #59
62. There's always that Ingore Thread button
Works great for me.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:44 AM
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7. Court of Appeals Reverses Decision in Church's Gun Lawsuit (MN)
And the lawsuits just keep on coming.... - Wayne

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Court of Appeals Reverses Decision in Church's Gun Lawsuit

A state Court of Appeals panel has reversed a lower court's ruling that denied an Edina church the right to ban firearms in its parking lots.

Tuesday's decision has breathed new life into the church's challenge to Minnesota's controversial handgun law.

Leaders at Edina Community Lutheran Church hailed the ruling. Observers following the new law and the case called it an important turn in the battle over the issue of carrying handguns in public.

Hennepin County District Judge Marilyn B. Rosenbaum had earlier ruled the church lacked standing to challenge the portion of the law that dealt with parking lots. But the appeals court ruling said the new statute could affect property rights and freedom of religion. Tuesday's ruling sends the issue back to the district court.

<more>

http://www.kare11.com/news/news-article.asp?NEWS_ID=58136
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:48 AM
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8. Teen arrested for gun incident (IA)
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 10:07 AM by CO Liberal
Tragedy averted. - Wayne

Teen arrested for gun incident

Former South East student's threats lead to charges

By Vanessa Miller and Brian Sharp
Iowa City Press-Citizen


Iowa City police arrested a 15-year-old former South East junior high student Wednesday, one day after he allegedly pointed a gun into a school bus and threatened members of the seventh-grade girls' basketball team.

Damonte E. Stogner faces charges of intimidation with a dangerous weapon, a felony, and misdemeanor counts of assault with a dangerous weapon and criminal trespass. The incident occurred about 3:20 p.m. Tuesday. Stogner allegedly left the bus and proceeded to the school, which went into lockdown after a coach alerted staff of the situation.

<more>

http://www.press-citizen.com/news/011504gun.htm
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:50 AM
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9. Panel votes to report mental commitments to gun database (AL)
A move in the right direction. Too bad two cops had to die before they decided to fix the problem... - Wayne

* * * * *

Panel votes to report mental commitments to gun database

The Associated Press
January 14, 2004


Following the killing of two police officers, a state commission decided Alabama should start giving information to a national gun database about Alabamians involuntarily committed to mental hospitals.

The Alabama Criminal Justice Information System Commission voted Tuesday to try to make Alabama one of the states that reports commitments and mental defect data to the database used by gun dealers to check whether customers are qualified to purchase guns.

Mark Hartley, criminal history project leader for the Criminal Justice Information System, said the agency will look for a way to obtain electronic information on commitments and transfer them to the database in Clarksburg, W.Va., that is overseen by the FBI. He said the Legislature may need to pass legislation to address privacy issues about the commitment records being sent to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

Farron Barksdale, who had a history of mental commitments, is accused of gunning down two Athens police officers on Jan. 2 with a rifle he purchased Dec. 24 at a Huntsville gun shop. The gun dealer ran a background check on Barksdale using the federal database, and he passed because Alabama had not reported any of his commitments.

<more>

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040114/APN/401140746
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #9
45. Better late than never, I suppose
The National Instant Check System is only as good as the data going into the list of prohibited persons.

Very sad indeed that the state government failed to protect the public until two of its own were killed senselessly.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:54 AM
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11. Julander again aims to curb gun access (UT)
I would like to see anyone argue that laws like this are a bad idea..... - Wayne

* * * * *

Julander again aims to curb gun access

By Jennifer Dobner
Deseret Morning News


Utah's children have more access to firearms than to aspirin or swimming pools, and Sen. Paula Julander is looking to change that balance.


For the third year in a row, Julander, D-Salt Lake, will sponsor a bill to restrict the access kids have to guns and hold negligent adults responsible when firearms and ammunition are not properly stored.


In the past year, six Utah children have died or suffered serious injuries in accidental shootings, Julander said Wednesday at a press conference she held in the emergency room at Primary Children's Medical Center.


All of those shootings could have been prevented if the CAP (child access prevention) law had been in place, she added. Julander's SB36 would make the negligent storage of a firearm a class B misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and $1,000 in fines.


"CAP laws do work," said Julander, adding that the eight states that have such laws have reduced the accidental death of children by firearms by 23 percent.

<more>

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,585037868,00.html
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:06 AM
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14. Gun case defendant too ill for court (OH)
A continuation of an older story. I wonder if this guy is on yesterday's list of the top 120 gun dealers who supply guns to the bad guys. - Wayne

* * * * *

Gun case defendant too ill for court

Additional charges filed in New Jersey in illegal sales of weapons


By Wes Hills
Dayton Daily News

Thursday, January 15, 2004

DAYTON --
Xenia gun dealer James Dillard — too ill Wednesday to attend a hearing here regarding federal charges he aided a conspiracy to illegally deal in firearms — now faces additional charges in New Jersey.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Sharon L. Ovington indefinitely continued the initial appearance for Dillard, who is in the hospital.

On Dec. 11, a federal indictment unsealed in U.S. District Court here charged Dillard and 10 current and former Wilberforce University students with conspiracy to illegally buy or sell guns in Ohio. It alleged that about 76 guns illegally sold in Xenia were transferred to members of the Double II Bloods street gang in East Orange, N.J.

The latest indictment by a federal grand jury in New Jersey charges Dillard and three others with conspiring to deal in firearms without a license. The other three are Quadree "Trouble" Smith, Michael "Fat Mike," "So Fat" or "Big Mike" Harris, and Daniel "Darkin Alvarez" Alvarez.

<more>

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/0115dillard.html
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:16 AM
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17. Another Shooting in Ohio Cracks Car Windshield
"COLUMBUS, Ohio (Reuters) - A bullet cracked a car windshield over the weekend in the latest in a string of 19 shootings on or near a stretch of Ohio highway, police said on Wednesday.
The motorist driving on I-270 was not injured in Sunday's incident, and he immediately called police on a cell phone.
But police once again came up empty in the search for the culprit who has been shooting at vehicles, a school and homes in the area south of Columbus since May. Most of the 19 shootings have occurred during the past three months. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040114/us_nm/crime_shootings_ohio_dc_2
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. It Will Be Interesting.....
...(once the perpetrator is caught) to see if any of the guns involved in those shootings came from any of the infamous 120 gun dealers.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #19
20. It will also be interesting to see
if he's going to apply for one of those pistol permits the GOP in Ohio plans to hand out like candy....
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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. but most interesting
is whether the wacko is using a "benign" firearm, or a super evil "assault destructo weapon."
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. That's only interesting to the fetishists
and those trying to argue that he ought have had a chance to get an assault weapon legally to make his rampage even MORE destructive.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. It won't matter to the zealots
Even if the weapon turns out to be a bolt-action .22 rimfire they'll use the incident to argue for a continuation of the AW ban.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. I See No Reason.....
...to let the ban expire.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. The law requires it to expire
Extending it would require action. And I know you and I have been over this a number of times, but I see no reason to extend it.

:shrug:
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #26
28. Hey, I'm looking forward to hearing the GOP
try to explain why they want to put assault weapons back on the street as the election heats up...

Should make for an entertaining time...and swing millions of sane voters into the Democratic column.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. They'll weasel out of it like most politicians do about divisive issues
There won't be a bill for them to actually vote on, so individual spineless GOPers will be able to say that they support the ban.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
51. Because...
...?
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #20
46. Apparently you never read...
...my thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=32908

to see how squeaky clean you have to be to get a permit in Michigan.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. But What Does THAT Have to Do...
...with getting a permit in Ohio?
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. Do you know what the procedures are...
...for getting a permit in Michigan, Ohio or Colorado are?
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. No, I Don't
But I don't see what the requirements in Michigan have to do with someone in Ohio.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. Well...
...Benchley makes the comment "if he's going to apply for one of those pistol permits the GOP in Ohio plans to hand out like candy" and I'm showing that it's not the case in Michigan at the very least.

And I don't expect the requirements to be any less in Ohio.

For example:
" I was convicted of marijuana possesion in my car. It was a misdemeanor. Does this mean that I am ineligible for a ccw license?
Yes. Ohio's CCW law prohibits anyone convicted of a misdemeanor charge involving drugs from applying for a concealed carry license. Your only recourse is to consult an attorney and determine if your record can be expunged."

http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&id_cat=11&categories=Ohio+CCW%3A+Prohibited+Applicants#56
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #20
54. Or, if he already
has one the democrats hand out in WV. At least the Democrat Sheriff "handed" me one.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:29 AM
Response to Original message
21. Parents Upset Over Guns Found At Gateway School (PA)
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 10:30 AM by CO Liberal
I'd be upset, too. - Wayne

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Parents Upset Over Guns Found At Gateway School

Student Allegedly Brought Loaded Gun To Dance

POSTED: 10:03 AM EST January 15, 2004

PITTSBURGH --
Parents in the Gateway School District are worried about guns in their children's schools.

Recently, a student was caught with a loaded handgun at a Gateway Middle School dance.

And, in December, a teacher found a gun in a classroom.

Some parents said the recent events are unnerving.

"I want a solution, so I don't get another letter saying that my son was at the same school as a weapon. I want him to come home as safe as I send him to school. And I want to make sure that they're going do something to ensure that," one mother said.

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http://www.wpxi.com/education/2767119/detail.html
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:50 AM
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24. Teen Shot Outside Local Burger King (MI)
"The shooting reportedly happened around 2:30 p.m. outside the Burger King restaurant at Kelly Road near Morang on Detroit's east side.
Witnesses say a man believed to be in his 20s approached a 16-year-old boy in the restaurant's parking lot and demanded he take off his designer leather jacket, Local 4 reported.
When the teen refused to hand over his coat, the man shot him in the foot, according to police.
The witness told Local 4 that the victim's brother then pulled a gun and fired a shot back at the man, but missed. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_wdiv/1958214
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:01 AM
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29. I Guess When They Said "Have It Your Way"....
...his way was a foot filled with lead.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:05 AM
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30. If only they'd had assault weapons
then this could have been a major league bloodbath...
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:10 PM
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34. And they could have had AWs if they'd really wanted to
But ordinary handguns are the weapon of choice for criminals, with ordinary shotguns taking second place.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:25 PM
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35. Maybe That's Because They're Currently BANNED??????
Don't you think that there's a possibility that if the AWB is allowed to expire, bad guys will start using assault weapons? I do......
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:01 PM
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37. According to the Violence Policy Center the ban has no real effect
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 01:05 PM by slackmaster
The Gun Industry Evades the Law

Immediately after the 1994 law was enacted, the gun industry moved quickly to make slight, cosmetic design changes in their "post-ban" guns to evade the law, a tactic the industry dubbed "sporterization." Of the nine assault weapon brand/types listed by manufacturer in the law,5 six of the brand/types have been re-marketed in new, "sporterized" configurations....


On that point they are 100% correct and I believe most of the pro-RKBA contributors here would agree.

Today there are actually more choices available for people who want a semiautomatic firearm that takes detachable magazines and has some military-style ergonomic features (there, how's that for a working definition?) than there were before the 1994 ban took effect. The ban has not materially changed the kinds of weapons available, and there are enough full-capacity (>10 round) magazines on the market that they are still available at low cost. So if you accept the VPC's definition of assault weapon (which they have never exactly specified, so use mine or California's) expiration of the federal AW ban will not really change anything either.

Or you could be a stickler for the legal definition of AW and insist that only pre-bans count, but the few gun control enthusiasts who understand the difference have shown much willingness to accept that constraint on the discussion. So I won't push it in this thread.

See http://www.vpc.org/studies/officeone.htm for the complete discussion in context.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:02 PM
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48. I'm curious CO...
...although we all say that assault weapons are 'banned' do you realize it means only that they can't be manufactured or imported? You can still go out and purchase what are called pre-ban assault weapons.

What I'm getting at is if a guy wants one he can go out and get one today.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 05:05 PM
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49. You can also manufacture some from widely available parts
Many kinds of firearms that are not AWs can be made into AWs (illegally at present) by replacing the stock or barrel, or by converting them from an internal magazine to accept detachable ones, or some combination of the above.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 11:25 AM
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32. Police Investigate Shooting At I-CAR Construction Site (NC)
"Greenville police are investigating a shooting at the International Center For Automotive Research construction site Thursday morning.
Lt. Mike Gambrell told WYFF News 4 that a construction worker arriving at the Sulphur Springs Road site around 7:30 found a man with a gunshot wound to the stomach."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_wyff/1959000
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:06 PM
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33. Nephew Arrested In Hill Country Murder (TX)
"A 35-year-old man who police said had a close relationship with his 69-year-old aunt has been charged in connection with a deadly robbery at the woman's Hill Country Village Home.
Robert Walter Fischer was arrested Tuesday night as he left for work in Boerne, Hill County Village Police Chief Frank Morales said.
Fischer, who was considered to be the prime suspect in the case early in the investigation, has not confessed to the crime and is not fully cooperating with investigators, Morales said.
Fischer at one time lived with Edith Camp, who was found murdered in her home on May 27, 2003, with a gunshot wound to her head and jewelry missing. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=391&ncid=391&e=1&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_ksat/1959105
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 12:42 PM
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36. Suspect Sought In Late-Night Shooting (OK)
"A suspect in a deadly Monday night shooting remained at large Tuesday.
Detectives said Shannon Jones Jr. was shot once at a home on Northeast 15th Street.
Investigators said Jones went to the house to talk with someone. Soon after, police said someone showed up and shot him."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=299&ncid=299&e=2&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_koco/1955472
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 01:44 PM
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38. Charges upgraded in death of worker (PA)
"In a courtroom less than a mile from the tire shop where he allegedly fired shots that killed his boss last month, Ken Kim stood before a judge yesterday and was arraigned on a charge of first-degree murder.
Prosecutors do not know why Phillips was shot. They allege that Kim arrived at work in a bad mood on Dec. 12. That morning, authorities said, Phillips reprimanded Kim for doing a poor job of putting tires on a customer's car and asked him to go home for the day.
Authorities say Kim went to his Dodge Durango pickup, returned with a .380-caliber handgun, and fired at Phillips, hitting him twice in the chest. Kim drove off but was arrested after Bensalem police pursued him and his truck slammed into a tree on Mechanicsville Road. Kim suffered a broken ankle."

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/7714548.htm
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 02:03 PM
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39. Deadly Shooting In Lincoln Park (CA)
"A man was shot to death Thursday morning at a Lincoln Park apartment complex, 10News reported.
Witnesses said they saw a young man at the Market Street Trolley Station loading a shotgun. The armed man encountered another young man and they apparently exchanged words.
Witnesses then said they saw the armed man chase the other man toward an apartment complex where he shot him. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_kgtv/1959074
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:20 PM
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40. Boy Shot In Leg While Waiting For Bus (MO)
"A teenager faces charges after a student was shot in the leg early Wednesday morning.
Police said that a 12-year-old boy was shot at the corner of 55th Street and Woodland around 6:20 a.m.
KMBC reported that a group of teens was waiting for a bus when a fight broke out between two groups of young people. At least one shot was fired, which injured the boy. He was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_kmbc/1956850
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 03:50 PM
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41. Suspect's Mom Killed Two Inside Church (GA)
"The 19-year-old man killed by police after the murders of a high school football coach and his teenaged son had been the victim of a tragedy three months ago.
Terry James Chaney is the son of a woman who gunned down her mother and the pastor of an Atlanta church before killing herself last October, his grandfather confirmed for 11Alive's Kevin Rowson.
Authorities said Chaney, who had been living in his deceased mother's Lilburn home until his death this week, is the gunman who killed 55-year-old William Venable and his teenaged son Billy. The Venables were shot during a home invasion late Tuesday night."

http://www.wxia.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=41613
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 04:13 PM
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44. Shot Fired During Struggle In Natomas Home (CA)
"A legal fight inside a Natomas home Wednesday led to a shot being fired, a man going to the hospital and a homeowner facing possible criminal charges.
Sacramento police said Wednesday that a man went to serve "legal papers" concerning a lawsuit to a home on Minden Way. The man went through an open garage and knocked on a kitchen door, according to authorities. They said the man and the homeowner -- armed with a gun -- eventually got into a fight.
"The gun was fired during the struggle," said Sacramento Police Department spokesman Lt. Daniel Hahn. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040115/lo_kcra/1958165
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 12:31 PM
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63. locking
old news
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