Girl loads rifle to spook burglars

[oneshooter]

11-year-old ready to defend herself

ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) - When three teenage burglars pried open the door of a northwest Albuquerque home they had no idea they would be met by a brave little girl, police said Wednesday.
Alyssa Gutierrez, 11, took matters into her own hands Tuesday when police said when Miguel Marquez, Eduardo Zubiate and Jesus Quintana broke into her home.
Gutierrez armed herself with a loaded rifle.
"I was planning, if they came right next to me, I would shoot them," Gutierrez said.
Gutierrez said her cousins went to run an errand around the corner from their home and were gone for a few minutes when she heard the backdoor rattle. "I thought it was (my cousin) Zachary playing a joke on me so I just turned the TV louder and ignored it," Gutierrez said.
But on the other side of the door were the burglars who pried open the door with a crowbar. Gutierrez believes that they'd seen her cousins leave and chose to break into the home when they thought no one was there.


http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/Girl-loads-rifle-to-spook-burglars

A very brave little girl, glad everything turned out right.
No shots fired, goblins arrested.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[wtmusic]

1. How wonderful!

"breakdown of homocides with guns in home where gun was kept:
male victim = 30 (60%)
female victim = 20 (40%)
blood tested for ethanol = 47 (94%)
blood alcohol test positive = 27 (54% of those tested)
blood alcohol level above 100 mg/dl = 10 (21% of those tested)
handgun used = 34 (68%)
long gun used = 16 (32%)

{homocides continued, triggering events}
occurred during altercation in the home = 42 (84%)
self-defense during altercation = 7 of 42 (17%)
justifiable homomcide of burglars = 2 of 50 (4%)
resulted in criminal charges = 41 of 50 (82%)
total self-defense and justifiable = 9 of 50 (18%)"

http://www.fact-index.com/a/ar/arthur_kellermann.html

Almost like Russian roulette, with 5 bullets in the revolver. :eyes:

[X_Digger]

2. Oh look, it's the Fred Phelps of gun control..

... the guy who treats guns like germs sticking to a doorknob.

Try again.

eta: Here's my take on Kellerman's "study" - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=221485

[wtmusic]

8. Drawing conclusions requires a collateral multivariate analysis?

Wherever did you get that silly idea?

You can twist, turn, shriek, obfuscate, do pretty much anything you want except provide facts which contradict Kellerman.

[X_Digger]

13. Did you read the bulk of that?

In 54% of the households in the 'case' group, THERE WAS NO GUN KEPT THERE.

Christ-a-mighty, if nothing else, that should give you pause.

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[wtmusic]

5. You can't show me where he admitted his study was "pure garbage", can you?

That kinda makes your post pure garbage.

[X_Digger]

14. From 43 times to 2.8 times (risk)..

That you would place any credence in an author whose evaluation of risk goes from 43 times more to 2.8 times more is laughable. An error factor of 15x between two studies in 5 years???

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[old mark]

4. Absolute bullshit - it was done for propaganda and it obviously still works as such...nt

[wtmusic]

6. Bullshit because you say so?

Bring some facts to the table, or be written off with the rest of the strident NRA crowd.

[Remmah2]

9. Here's a fact.

The little girl is alive and well in spite of Kellerman's study.

[wtmusic]

10. That brought a tear to my eye.

Now back to the discussion at hand: should we base public policy on puppy dog tails or facts? :shrug:

[Remmah2]

37. Are you implying the 11 year olds life had no value? nt

nt

[Bold Lib]

25. Have you read these facts?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=221485

[PavePusher]

15. None of which refutes the utility of a firearm used in self-defense.

Unless, of course, you can actually prove otherwise.

[spin]

16. The link that your data comes from points out the faults with the study...

Gun rights advocates counter that the entire study is not only suspect for the integrity of it's data, but also that it is entirely mis-leading in it's basic methodology to the point where it proves nothing more interesting than the fact that suicides make up the bulk of gunshot deaths, which has been known since gunshot death records begin. Gun rights advocates state that the only purpose for this biased and carefully manipulated study was to create a useful headline for the gun control lobby to use to frighten the public with.

'Objections:\' (In no particular order)

* No peer review- The primary source for the data were case files which were reviewed only by the study's authors and categorised and tabulated only by their judgment. Neither the case files nor any extracts from them have ever been made available for peer review or published. Clear oppoutunity for bias with no chance of achedemic review.

* Small sample area- The study was conducted in one single county in the USA out of several thousands of USA counties. King county, Washington state (includes Seattle). No study with such a tiny sample area can be validly applied to the entire USA for such a complex issue.

* Lethal-only filter- The study excluded all cases where an attacker was either wounded or unharmed and survived the encounter with the armed gun owner. Fatal self-defense uses of firearms account for far less than 1% of all defensive gun uses (DGU). Gun owners, even while defending their own lives, will avoid firing their gun except as a last desperate resort to stopping an attack. The lack of a dead body does not mean the gun failed to protect the gun owner or their family.

* Stranger-only filter- The study classifies as "homocides for self-protection", (ie, the "good case") only those cases where the attacker was a total stranger to the gun owner. This means that if the gun owner is violently attacked by someone he/she knows, even slight aquaintences, and the gun owner uses a gun to stop the attack by killing the attacker, this study still counts that case as a "criminal homocide".

* Accusation equals guilt assumption- The study authors assumed that any gun owner who is accused or charged in relation to a case of gunshot homocide in his home was automatically guilty of the crime and thus the case was placed in the "criminal homocide" category. The authors made no effort to discover if the charges were later dropped by the police after further investigations cleared the gun owner. Other studies have found that as high as 40% of jury trials for such cases find the gun owner was justified in the shooting. Such cases where the gun owner was later vindicated would properly reduce the number of "bad cases" and increase the number of "good cases".
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html

Some people actually do look at the links you provide.

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[Glassunion]

30. Damn it!!!!

You beat me to it.

Reedin's fur dhumeez. Saw numburs an stuff. Got to be troo.

[cleanhippie]

40. I assume you are referencing what is painfully obvious to anyone, Right?

The fact that, ahem, alcohol is present in nearly every case doesn't seem like a mitigating factor here?

[slackmaster]

41. "homocides"?

:rofl:

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[Remmah2]

11. Goblin; definition

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goblin

Even if warped by the urban dictionary it does not seem to be racist. I've heard gang members refered to as goblins, trolls, gang bangers......... I've seen gang members from all walks of life.

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[PavePusher]

17. Sorry, criminals dehumanize themselves and everyone else just fine on their own.

I'll call them whatever I want to.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. Well, that's OK then.

When's the last time someone accused you of being a civilized liberal?

[PavePusher]

34. I never claimed to be "civilized", but I fake it sometimes.

Depends on your definition, really.

[Euromutt]

20. I agree with everything you said except your subject line

I dislike the term "goblin" myself, precisely because it smacks of an attempt to dehumanize a human being. But the term "goblin" is typically used to describe someone engaged in robbery or burglary, without regard to said individual's ethnicity. Complaining that the term is racist isn't going to convince anyone not to use it, because of all the things that are wrong with the term "goblin," racism is emphatically not one of them.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. True, to an extent.

It is intended to reinforce the idea that they are sub-human, and in my experience disproportionately used in reference to black and Hispanic gang members. IMO, the exceptions are deliberate to allow the use of a term which is in origin racist.

Unless you are rolling 20-sided dice, you have no business using the term.

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[RaleighNCDUer]

28. You know, it is not HIS feelings I'm concerned about.

Dehumanizing another dehumanizes ourselves. Let yourself convince yourself that the guy is less than human, that means by extension his family is less than human because they let him become what he is, or they made him become what he is. The logical end of that is catagorizing whole classes of people as less than human, allowing you to treat them inhumanely. And that starts with calling one person a nigger, or a kike, or a spic, or a goblin.

Define them by what they DO, not by some slur of what they ARE.

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[SteveM]

39. You need firm correction, here...

You have contrived a theory that calling someone by a "sub-human" name is racist. I repeat, contrived. I don't know if you are doing this in order to tag those who disdain violent criminals as racist (for whatever purpose), or because you harbor an unseemly sensitivity for violent thugs, goblins, ferals, skidmarks, etc., but you are WAY off base with your contrivance and silly "extensions."

You don't ring true at all.

[SteveM]

38. I prefer Thug or Thu'. Then again, HyperPunk works, too. Or, just...

plain punk. Blowhole, Skidmark, Ridgerunner, Gone-feral, etc. are good, too.

For your information, the acceptable term several generations ago for criminals who were black was "Bad Negro," since archaic.

But Goblin -- that's GOBLIN -- works quite well. And I will continue to use it.

Would you like to hear some expression for murderous white folks? See above.

[Glassunion]

29. Hmmm.

As a "Nigger" so to speak, I saw nothing in that statement as racist.

I have used the term, however not to de-humanize but more as an insult. To me it would be the same as calling someone an ass hole, a piece of shit or an all-around dick.

Am I de-humanizing someone if I call them any of the following:?
These piece of shit criminals.
These ass hole criminals.
These goblin criminals.

To me a Goblin is a small grotesque supernatural creature that makes trouble for human beings.

Now of course I don't speak for all non-whites, but from my perspective it is not racist. It is only racist, because you are saying that it is racist. Try out your google on the word. Enjoy the World of War-craft links that you get.

If you don't agree with it, hit the alert link. But I don't think that "Thoughtcrime" is against DU rules and I don't think that we are in a place of ideological correctness.

[proteus_lives]

36. That's the first I've ever heard of it being a racist term.

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. Wonderful parenting.

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[RaleighNCDUer]

32. Never mind that she didn't use it, the intruders never saw her with it

and ran as soon as they saw someone was home because they were neighborhood kids and were afraid of being identified.

This is about as much a 'successful use of a firearm in self defense' as the asshole who pulled a gun on me after he damn near killed me on the highway because he didn't like my bumperstickers. Having a gun in the car made him a real brave man. Actually, he was a delusional asshole.

[X_Digger]

33. Those pesky kids..

.. with a rifle and a crowbar breaking into a house..

Youthful indiscretions, funny business, hanky-panky, hijinks, and shenanigans, at most.

:sarcasm:

[PavePusher]

35. The fact that you can see an equivalance between those two incidents...

does not speak well of you.

[Ter]

42. Change that headline, please

n/t