What a shocking email I got from the NRA......

[KansasVoter]

I guess the NRA want Sharron Angle to win. Like most nutty NRA members would vote for Reid anyway!


In the coming days and weeks, the NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) will be announcing endorsements and candidate ratings in hundreds of federal races, as well as thousands of state legislative races. Unless these announcements are required by the timing of primary or special elections, the NRA-PVF generally does not issue endorsements while important legislative business is pending. The NRA-PVF also operates under a long-standing policy that gives preference to incumbent candidates who have voted with the NRA on key issues, which is explained in more detail here.
The U.S. Senate recently considered a number of issues important to NRA members, including the confirmation of Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Out of respect for the confirmation process, the NRA did not announce its position on Ms. Kagan's confirmation until the conclusion of her testimony before the Senate Judiciary committee. Her evasive testimony exacerbated grave concerns we had about her long-standing hostility towards the Second Amendment. As a result, the NRA strongly opposed her confirmation and made it clear at the time that we would be scoring this important vote.
The vote on Elena Kagan's confirmation to the Court, along with the previous year's confirmation vote on Sonia Sotomayor, are critical for the future of the Second Amendment. After careful consideration, the NRA-PVF announced today that it will not be endorsing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid for re-election in the 2010 U.S. Senate race in Nevada.

[shadowrider]

1. What's shocking?

They opposed an anti-2A person in Kagan.

The NRA is a SINGLE ISSUE organization. Not surprising they'd oppose an anti-2A individual.

Maybe they don't consider Reid as pro-2A as Angle. SINGLE ISSUE.

[safeinOhio]

3. For the last month or two

we sure heard a lot of poster here tout the NRA was endorsing Reid over Angle and how bi=partisan the organization is. What happened? Now they are endorsing some one that has called for "2nd Amendment solutions" to any democratically elected government that disagrees with their agenda.

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. They are a one-issue organization, and they haven't endorsed *anyone* yet.

Angle will probably get the nod, though.

See, 'nuance' =/= "the women your uncles married at their double wedding"

[benEzra]

18. If they endorse Angle, I'll probably cancel my membership.

Reid has been very good to gun owners (heck, he was one of the few in '94 with the backbone to stand up against the "assault weapon" fraud), and the only thing they are criticizing him for is the vote on the Supreme Court nominees.

[friendly_iconoclast]

11. That's strange, this NRA-PVF site gives an "A" to several Democrats in Nevada alone:

http://www.nrapvf.org/Elections/State.aspx?State=NV#


Just doing the searches that others won't....

[jazzhound]

14. What happened?

See post #10.

[Name removed]

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[Callisto32]

6. I think what this says is...

that because he voted to confirm Kagen, they deliberated about his grade, and lowered it. This might bring him now lower than the challenger, and remove his incumbent's advantage.

[safeinOhio]

17. What this says, I think,

is that the NRA is so crazy, like Angle, that they would support Hitler over Jesus if he just said he would remove all restrictions on firearms. Perhaps if he just said that there is a "2nd Amendment solution" to democratically elected senators.
Recently there have been post that asked if anyone here would join the NRA if they supported more Democrats. I'd now ask if any of those would tear up their membership cards if the NRA keeps supporting crazy nut jobs that are to the right of Limbaugh and Beck?

Now is the time for members to write the NRA and tell them they will stop supporting the group if they support teh crazy people.

[Callisto32]

20. Consider decaf.

[Taitertots]

26. They are so crazy that they support people who support their defining issue

"if he just said he would remove all restrictions on firearms"
Now you are just hallucinating that the NRA doesn't support certain reasonable restrictions on firearms.

[friendly_iconoclast]

29. All that bafflegab for nothing- the NRA isn't supporting Angle, either.

See the link in post #22

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/nra-will-not-endorse-sharron-angle-either/62193

Darn that pesky NRA- they keep not doing what you claim they do.

[villager]

2. What!? The NRA supporting a rightwing kook!?

n/t

[spin]

21. They haven't endorsed anyone so far ...

The NRA doesn't have to endorse a candidate for every election.

Reid’s camp attempted to put the best face on the snub, noting that the campaign has already received a $4,000 donation from the NRA.

“The NRA’s relationship with Sen. Reid has been long-standing and productive and – unlike for Sharron Angle – they’ve put their money where their mouth is this cycle,” said Reid campaign manager Brandon Hall. “Along with their financial support, the declaration of NRA head Wayne LaPierre that Sen. Reid is ‘a true champion of the Second Amendment’ and that ‘no one has been a stronger advocate for responsible gun ownership than him’ shows beyond a doubt that the NRA believes Sen. Reid to be a strong advocate for Nevadans’ Second Amendment rights in the U.S. Senate.”


Added a Reid spokesman, “This is not an endorsement of Angle. We didn’t lose their endorsement. We’ve never gotten it.”
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41538.html

[SteveM]

24. See post 22. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. Reid isn't nutty enough. Angle, on the other hand.......

...fills the bill quite nicely.

[benEzra]

19. They're even on the gun issue; other stuff, not so much.

Angle seems to have a bit of a theocratic authoritarian streak that scares me a bit, frankly.

[PavePusher]

7. I am an NRA member.

Am I "nutty"?

And can you extrapolate, from my membership, how I intend to vote?

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. No guesses neccessary on your part. Either they endorsed Angle, or they did not.

What you posted does not say they did, so a little clarification is in order.

And since you are both the OP and an NRA member- why don't you tell us?


ADDED ON EDIT:

How very sly of you- they haven't endorsed anyone yet!

http://www.nrapvf.org/Elections/Default.aspx

[jazzhound]

13. Great point, FI ----- and shame on me for

assuming that they planned on endorsing Angle!

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. We were supposed to take the OP at face value, and not look any deeper

I leave it to the disinterested observer to decide what this says about the author of the OP....

[jazzhound]

10. Re. the NRA's decision to back Angle, here a huge hint:

"settled law".

[friendly_iconoclast]

12. In other shocking news, there is gambling at the Cafe' Americain!

Also:

Single-issue organization refuses to support politician who doesn't support their issue!

Details at eleven....

[Glassunion]

16. I an shocked... SHOCKED! To find that gambling is going on here.

[aikoaiko]

15. Not backing Reid is not the same as backing Angle (although they may)

The problem for the NRA is that Reid is a moderate on gun rights (willing to compromise here and there), but he has reached a very powerful position in the Senate. If he leaves, its not clear if someone better on the RKBA would fill his leadership slot.

On the other hand Angle has been rhetorically better on the RKBA but doesn't have a national level voting record.

[spin]

22. Update...NRA will not endorse Sharron Angle either ...

Aug 27 2010, 5:50 PM ET

The NRA announced earlier today that it won't endorse Reid, after a history of backing the Senate majority leader. The group cited his votes in favor of Supreme Court nominees Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor.

The group did not mention Reid's opponent, the Tea-Party-backed Sharron Angle, in its announcement, saying only that it would not support Reid.

An NRA spokesperson confirms that the group will not endorse Angle, either.

"We will not be making an endorsement in the NV Sen race," NRA spokesman Andrew Arulnanandam wrote in an e-mail. The group declined to comment on its specific reasons for not endorsing Angle.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/nra-will-not-endorse-sharron-angle-either/62193/

[Glassunion]

23. But... But...

They are not supporting Reid!!! That means that they are bowing to the Republican Party. It's SHOCKING!!!

Remember... The enemy of your enemy's enemy, is your enemy as long as that enemy is an enemy of your enemy if they don't support your stance where your enemy is against it.

[PavePusher]

28. Every time I try to read that...

My eyes cross, blood trickles out of my ears, and I now owe you a migraine. :crazy: :puke: :toast:

[LAGC]

25. Wow, after all Reid has done for the cause...

Admittedly, Senator Reid’s record is not perfect; few politicians’ records are. For a number of years (primarily in the 1990s) Sen. Reid had some problematic votes on our issue. But in the last five years, he has dramatically improved his record on our issue, so the NRA-PVF would be irresponsible if it did not give due consideration to those recent votes and actions. There is no doubt that, as Senate Majority Leader, Reid has supported efforts to protect Americans’ gun rights, both by voting FOR pro-gun measures AND preventing anti-gun legislation from reaching the Senate floor.

In 2004, Sen. Reid voted against efforts to reauthorize the Clinton “assault weapons” ban and early last year, flatly stated he would oppose any effort to reinstate an “assault weapons” ban if the Senate were to vote on it in the future. In 2005, Sen. Reid was instrumental in Senate passage (and eventual enactment into law) of the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act” (PLCAA). That law shut down reckless lawsuits against gun manufacturers and dealers, which attempted to hold them liable for the misuse of firearms by criminals. Sen. Reid also cosponsored the PLCAA in the previous Congress and voted against the Feinstein Amendment to ban so-called “assault weapons” and the Kennedy Amendment that would have banned most hunting ammunition.

Sen. Reid voted for legislation, which became law in 2006, to prohibit gun confiscation during states of emergency. He also voted for legislation to allow commercial airline pilots to be armed in the cockpit to protect their passengers and crew.

In the last two years, Sen. Reid voted for the Ensign Amendment to repeal the Washington D.C. gun ban and restore self-defense rights in our nation’s capital. He cosponsored similar legislation -- S.1414 -- in the 108th Congress. He also voted for an amendment to allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges. This federal policy change took effect on February 22. In addition, Sen. Reid voted last year for the Thune-Vitter Amendment to provide national reciprocity for state Right-to-Carry permits. Sen. Reid also voted twice for the Wicker Amendment allowing Amtrak passengers to include firearms in their checked luggage. In his capacity as Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid made votes on all of these amendments procedurally possible. And these are but a few examples of Senator Reid’s support and leadership on Second Amendment issues.

All of which leads to a very serious question for all NRA members and gun owners who oppose Sen. Reid to contemplate: who would take Reid’s place if he loses his race—and his critically important position as Senate Majority Leader? Remember, the Senate Majority Leader is the gatekeeper who decides which legislation will be considered on the Senate floor. If Sen. Reid loses, the next candidate for Majority Leader is very likely to be Chuck Schumer or Dick Durbin—two of the most anti-gun U.S. Senators in history!

http://www.nrapvf.org/News/Read.aspx?ID=14003&T=1

So they are just going to ignore all that and not endorse him simply because he voted to confirm Kagan and Sotomayor? WTF?

[Euromutt]

27. It does come off as a dick move, however...

You can hardly hold it against any senator that he or she voted to confirm Sotomayor, given that Sotomayor essentially lied during her confirmation hearing regarding her stance on the Second Amendment. I've also taken issue with the NRA's opposition to Kagan because I felt the organization was using Kagan as a surrogate for Sotomayor; the NRA allowed itself to be snookered by Sotomayor, and then they tried to take out their frustration (for whom they have mostly themselves to blame) on Kagan.

Here comes the "however"...
However, the NRA-PVF didn't endorse Reid in 2004 either, nor did they endorse his opponent in spite of the fact that his opponent received a higher grade (an "A" to Reid's "B"). The organization isn't being particularly inconsistent here.

[jazzhound]

31. Hitting all nails squarely on the head.

And remember also that Kagan used the same language (settled law) as Sotomayor during her confirmation hearing w/regard to the 2A issue.

[PavePusher]

32. If you are quoting, you are not doing so correctly.

That involves particular punctuation, and a cite to the origonal text.

In the meantime, since the article does not say whay your first sentance claims, you will retract your statement, right?