Gang violence and the mayor's feeble and futile gun laws (Portland, Or.)

[shadowrider]

In response to the escalation in gang-related shootings in Portland, Mayor Sam Adams is proposing actions that are typical of those with liberal leanings. Rather than blaming the criminals, he's blaming the guns, and he's proposing five ordinances, some of which will restrict the gun rights of law-abiding citizens and will also likely end up in court because they violate Oregon's firearms pre-emption law. The proposals appear to be hastily crafted and, if adopted, will likely have the unintended consequence of a huge increase in applications for concealed handgun licenses.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/09/gang_violence_and_the_mayors_f.html

[safeinOhio]

1. " actions that are typical of those with liberal leanings."

Gross generalizations about liberals? I think this was posted on the wrong site.

[X_Digger]

3. That appears to be from the article.. n/t

[shadowrider]

4. You may not agree with the statement, but the truth hurts. Pro-gun Dems on this site

are under constant attack for "Non-Democrat" and "Non-Progressive" values.

[safeinOhio]

5. That is "Non-Democratic"

not non Democrat. Another insult to my party.

[shadowrider]

7. I sincerely apologize. I typed quickly and missed that.

[Euromutt]

9. Using "Democrat" as an adjective is an insult?

For someone who accused another of having "a very thin skin" (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=337129&mesg_id=337172) you seem to be quite capable of reducing the thickness of your own.

[shadowrider]

11. Forget it. You won't win with the poster.

[safeinOhio]

15. The term "democrat party" has become a common insult

used by Limbaugh and Hannity and those that listen to them. Note, I did not say "I" was insulted. I said it was an insult to my party.
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You are permitted to post polite behavioral corrections to other members of the message board

[pipoman]

6. I too disagree with the generalization

and in fact find it offensive. Gun control is an urban thing more than a liberal or "Democrat" thing, it just happens that many urbanites are also Democrats and/or liberals. There are plenty of urban Rethugs who are quite opposed to the intent of the 2nd Amendment, too. Liberal = liberal interpretation of rights, all rights...conservative = conservative interpretation of rights (more restrictive interpretations). The Democratic party is moving in the right direction on this issue without the help of ANY Rethug sympathizers.

[shadowrider]

8. Liberal interpretation of ALL rights is not a problem

It's when posters on this board, a large number of them, support all rights except the 2nd. That gets under my skin.

[pipoman]

17. What it is

is the appearance in your op that you dislike liberals; proposing actions that are typical of those with liberal leanings., which I understand is a quote from the article. Then in your response to someone who takes exception to this characterization you defend it by saying, " You may not agree with the statement, but the truth hurts.", and in the same sentence use the term, "Non-Democrat", which is straight from the Rush Limbaugh book of slurs...this is what gets under many on this site's skin.

[shadowrider]

19. Get this straight, my friend, I DIDN'T write the article

It's an article on goofy gun laws in Portland, Oregon. I don't snip out parts I don't like in any OP I put up. I post the entire thing. To singularly focus on that and ignore the rest of the article, well, I can't help that.

A liberal writer, in a liberal city, in a liberal paper says "liberal-leaning" and people get twisted out of shape.

[benEzra]

14. Not to mention the fact that gun control IS NOT A LIBERAL ISSUE, it is a third-way centrist issue.

Most of the gun control BS within the party since the early 1990's was pushed by the centrist DLC/Third Way, as a way to look "tough on crime" to law-and-order authoritarians. Dianne Feinstein, Sarah Brady, Paul Helmke, et al are not liberals.

The "libruls hates gunz" meme needs to die a well deserved death. Most liberals seem to care a lot less about the issue than centrists do.

[X_Digger]

2. meant to reply elsewhere. n/t

[spin]

10. I like one idea ...

The fourth proposal would create a mandatory sentence for the crime of possession of a loaded firearm in a public place. This prohibition, from which concealed handgun licensees are exempt, defines your personal vehicle as a public place. The current penalty is rarely enforced. And given a choice between the penalty or becoming a victim of rape, robbery or murder on the streets, I suspect most will choose to continue to protect themselves and not be deterred by the new penalty. If they are, they'll likely get a concealed carry permit.
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/09/gang_violence_and_the_mayors_f.html

The mandatory sentence should be severe enough to deter causal carry of firearms by gang members. It often seems that honest citizens who fail to follow gun laws receive harsher punishment than criminals.

The writer suggests that many citizens who are not criminals will continue to carry concealed without licenses unless the new law deters them, in which case they will run out and cause a major increase in concealed carry licenses. All I can say is that honest citizens who do carry concealed weapons should have a permit to do so in a state that requires it.

[shadowrider]

12. Your last sentence. Agree completely n/t

[oneshooter]

13. Is Oregon a "shall issue" or a "may issue" state? n/t

[safeinOhio]

16. shall issue. n/t

[jazzhound]

18. If I had to wager, I'd bet that the Blue Steel Democrats

are going to open a can of whoop-ass on the mayor.