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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 03:37 PM Original message |
Democrats are STILL facing the fallout from the so-called Assault Weapons Ban. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. And people have llllloooooonnnnnnggggggg memories n/t |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Fuck it! |
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orwell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. +1... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
61. Did you know Orwell supported the RKBA? In England? nt |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. How "inclusive" of you. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Which accusation would that be? |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Tell me, wise one, what lies does the NRA spread, and be specific. n/t |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. Here is a start! |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Fail. Those are opinion pieces. Tell me what lies, and please be specific. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. The only fail here appears to be your unwillingness to actually read |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Here's how it works. YOU said the NRA lies. YOU back it up. Please be specific n/t |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. I was |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Not very convincing... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 01:20 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Bullshit! |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. My apologies. One link led to a direct NRA source, the seveth link in the article. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 09:33 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. No worries! |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 05:46 AM Response to Reply #68 |
76. What say I now? If Obama could ban guns, he would in a heartbeat |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 09:37 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. I don't think there is any evidence Obama would do that |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I asked YOU to show me where the NRA lied by being specific. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. He's yet to provide anything other than hearsay. n/t |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Really? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Really. There is *one* link to the NRA in that article. Show us where the lies are. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Not one example. True enough. All I (We) want is an example, from the NRA itself, of their "lies" |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-09-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. UPDATE: Two days later, and no examples of NRA "lies" have been given. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #84 |
117. Still waiting. . . . |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. I find your replies rather odd and slightly amusing |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Be amused all you want. The question is simple. From the NRA itself, not a second party, |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. There was nothjing sane about the "assault weapons ban" - it was bullshit from end to end. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. In fairness |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. "I, for one, have little time for appeasing people that. . ." Perhaps |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. It's not about "appeasing people". |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. Hey, it's okay to make voting more expensive... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Did everybody you know vote for McGovern? nt |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
36. I guess it depends on how you look at it. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
44. So, it's O.K. for politicians to spend time and effort on do-nothing, feel-good... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
62. In fairness, would you join us in ridding the DNC Platform of its AWB advocacy? |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. As a matter of fact, I would agree that Democrats should abandon legislation like this |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Thank you. You'll note please that that was the point of my O.P. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. The so called assault weapon ban was not sane, rational or based in reality. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Outlawing the most popular civilian rifles because their handgrips stick out is "sane, rational"? |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. The Limbaughs of the Left aren't interested in your facts |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. Speaking of faith based willfull ignorance |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. You would know what's acceptable to "you people" if you perused these threads... |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. As far as I know, Democrats do support the right to bear arms by individuals |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 09:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You know how else the NRA manages to keep those |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 06:22 AM Response to Reply #69 |
77. If you spent time in here (the gungeon) |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. The best way for Democrats to deal with the "gun issue" is to... |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-13-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
118. Nationwide concealed carry "shall issue", no restrictions on caliber or capacity |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. As Steve mentioned, we *have* laid out what the |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-07-10 09:32 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. Strawmen aside, part of that passage was offered in all seriousness |
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Callisto32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. The ignorance... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. In what universe is the "assault weapons ban" sane, rational, & reality based? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. Awwwww. You made me cry. nt |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. The "assault weapons" ban accomplished nothing except to make this class of weapons ... |
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Pullo (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
43. Just what part of the "Assault Weapons Ban" was "rational" or reality-based??? |
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drumminor2nd (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. Hmm... |
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GreenStormCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
103. That "sliver" of the electorate has been enough to vote in a... |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
104. About that "sane, reality-based" thing... |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. Clinging to their guns and their bitterness. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Nobody "needs" a blog either. The Bill of RIGHTS, is not a bill of NEEDS. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. They didn't have assault rifles in 1791 when the 2nd amendment was passed. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Don't you love that living breathing document that IS the Constitution. It adapts |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Why would anyone want to repeal the bill of rights? |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Two points: Are you saying that the "interpretation" of the 2A is "goofy"? |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I'm saying some of the interpretations of the bill of rights are goofy. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You dodged one point and ignored the other. I'll have to restate: |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Yea - like how they got privacy and the right for an abortion out of it. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. They wouldn't have any fucking computers, either, would they? nt |
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Francis Marion (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. What's the relevance of technological progress? |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. They didn't have TV, radio, or the internet either |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. And the Girandoni repeating rifle.. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 08:32 AM Response to Reply #29 |
39. 50 caliber terror ! |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 07:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. By that token, "freedom of the press" doesn't cover lithography, offset printing, mimeographs... |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. Are you courageous enough to extend that theory.... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
52. I thought posts like this were only made with sarcasm |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 09:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
53. There was a breech loading rapid loading rifle at that time. |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. The 2nd amendment |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
59. You do not know your history. Girandoni Repeating Rifle. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. But it is easier to remove foot from mouth than do research. n/t |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
65. More flaws... |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 04:15 AM Response to Reply #65 |
101. Times change |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-12-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #101 |
116. And that is why there is a means in place to CHANGE the Constitution. You don't |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Nobody needs a Honda Civic either. Do you even know WTF an "assault weapon" is? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-04-10 06:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Yes, I cling to my rights. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. Do you even know what one is? n/t |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. You don't even know what an assault rifle is. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. Some corrections are in order... |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
37. On the subject of "assault weapon" misinformation........ |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
40. Whatever Fallout Democrats Continue To Face Over This Issue.... |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Simple solution: Have more Dems be pro-gun/RKBA, problem solved n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. It doesn't appear that the Democratic Party is pushing for more gun control ... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I am in agreement with this, but lets carry it one step further. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Not a bad idea. Assuming that you can appeal if a mistake was made ... |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Is that what you've come to? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-05-10 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
51. And just when I thought the adminstration learned to avoid stupid decisions regarding guns -- |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-06-10 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
54. An example right here on DU of why we're still facing |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-09-11 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
91. kick NT |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. It'd be shooting yourself in the foot (pun intended).. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:10 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Sometimes -- right is right, even if the gun advocates go home muttering and whining. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 02:57 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Or the Democrats lose the White House and majorities in Congress? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #96 |
111. What makes legislating civilian rifle minutiae "right"? |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #96 |
112. Whens the last time that happened? n/t |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Problem is, whenever you're asked to explain why it's |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. IMO, anyone who lusts after an "assault weapon" is really not fit to own any weapon. |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 01:38 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Nonsense......as always. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 02:52 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. When using an argument from authority, it's best not to use yourself as the authority. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Why do you need this year's Toyota? Isn't your ten tear old toyota still running? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #95 |
105. Nearly half of my collection is "assault weapons" ........ |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. Not paranoid. Just sorry for your fear and obsession. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. The fact that you think choosing an ergonomic stock over a straight stock, |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Cracking me up with your gun-porn photos. No one needs a gun like that, except those who need help. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. And who's the Secretary of Need? |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. That's a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, that particular example from 1989: |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #95 |
106. Anyone who thinks common non-automatic centerfire .22's are ultra-dangerous |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Those who feel the need to carry in public or own an "assault weapon" are even less qualified. n/t |
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jazzhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 03:39 AM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Correcting an egregious mis-speak: |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-10-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
109. The Giffords tragedy predictably is being used by anti-RKBA activists again to prohibit inalienable |
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