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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 03:44 PM
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Kirkpatrick Speaks Out Against Lead Ammunition Ban
“In these tough economic times, we cannot afford knee-jerk reactions like this. The ban would be a huge burden to our hunters and sportsmen, and I am concerned that this is basically an end-run around their Second Amendment rights. There has to be a body of scientific evidence illustrating beyond a doubt that this is a grave issue of concern before we jump to proposed solutions – we shouldn’t leap into addressing a problem that may be no problem at all.”

Rep. Kirkpatrick has a long track record of successfully defying the White House and Congressional leadership to maintain and protect the Second Amendment. Last March, the Congresswoman sent a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder opposing any reinstatement of the so-called “assault weapons” ban, in an effort that won the praise of the National Rifle Association (NRA). She later helped push through an NRA- and Gun Owners of America-endorsed amendment to strengthen protections for law-abiding gun owners in national parks, and was part of a bipartisan coalition of Members of Congress who filed a brief with the Supreme Court insisting that the Bill of Rights protects guns owners against state and local government restrictions in the McDonald v. Chicago case.
http://www.prescottenews.com/?option=com_content&task=view&id=3916

What a great Democrat she is on the 2A!!!
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 03:47 PM
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1. What ban? I thought the EPA dismissed this?
They got a request and they denied it, for several reasons, right?
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:00 PM
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2. You are correct. She simply came out with her position on the whole issue.
I figure she was being asked her position on the whole thing so she released that statement - to remove any doubt on her stance I would assume.
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:15 PM
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3. Even money on someone...
trying to squeeze it through some other way.

And that some of the folks who currently claim to be "against it" turn their coats and become "for it", in the sneakiest possible ways.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:21 PM
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4. Yeah, we need more lead in the environment. huzzah.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:38 PM
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5. News flash, lead comes . . . wait for it . . . FROM the environment.
Can you site any peer reviewed credible source that target shooting causes harm to animals through lead poisoning?
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:42 PM
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7. AWW crap.
You beat me to it.
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:01 PM
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9. try this
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:14 PM
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10. Try again. That is not a study that has any credibility nor any peer review.
Edited on Sat Sep-04-10 05:16 PM by Hoopla Phil
At best it is an opinion journal that is fear mongering with no basis in fact that bullets are causing harm to children. Only saying that lead poising is bad for kids - don't let them shoot guns.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:41 PM
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12. Want to follow that up with an "abortion causes cancer" press release by Operation Rescue?
Citing nine-year-old press releases by lobbying groups isn't exactly the most convincing argument.

Also, you may not be aware of this, but the teeny bit of lead exposure you'd need to worry about from shooting modern firearms comes from the priming compound (the tiny bit of shock-sensitive explosive that ignites the powder charge), not from lead bullets. Most centerfire ammunition ammunition is copper jacketed, so the metal exposure you'd get from handling bullets is copper. However, there are trace amounts of lead vapor produced by the priming compound, which is why you shouldn't clean a dirty gun by licking it and shouldn't use a dirty gun as a spork, and why indoor ranges need a little ventilation.

The only real lead hazard in the shooting sports is to those who cast their own bullets from old wheel weights or whatever, because molten lead in an enclosed area can lead to toxic levels over time. Other than that, it's not a biggie.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:22 PM
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15. Getting kids into shooting in order for the sport to survive sounds like anti-gay...
rhetoric from some of the more strident anti-gay organizations; you know, those who think that the only way the "gay lifestyle" can survive is by inducing kids, adopting kids, advocating gay marriage, etc.

Funny how that works.

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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:25 PM
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16. just out of curiousity
how often do you let your kids go to the local gun range and eat bullets?

The range I use recycles 100% of the lead fired.As do most ranges.your entire gun ranges kill kids mem is bullshit
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:41 PM
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6. Do you know where lead comes from?
....THE ENVIRONMENT!
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 04:54 PM
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8. This isn't about putting more lead in the environment.
Shooting ranges trap the lead, and every once in a while they mine the berm and sell the lead for recycling.

Only about 0.01% of ammunition sold in the United States is used for hunting. The overwhelming majority is expended at shooting ranges, which is why proposing a lead ban on all ammunition under the cover of "protecting wildlife" was bogus. The EPA was right to reject the ban.
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-10 05:25 PM
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11.  This report is by the Violence Policy Center
An anti-gun group.
See what just happened to slip in"•Congress should forbid use of federal dollars for any range that permits use of assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, or machine guns."

Also, "•The lead hazard at shooting ranges calls into question the wisdom of encouraging or requiring firearm safety training as a mechanism to
reduce firearm-related violence, and demonstrates the folly of supporting range development with public funds."

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:41 PM
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13. Not to concerned with actual science, are you? n/t
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:14 PM
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14. It's in car batteries. Some years ago in Tampa Bay...
it was discovered that the Coastguard had been dumping exhausted lead-acid batteries (used to illuminate buoys) into the bay, causing high levels of pollution.

Which do you think causes more harm, batteries in the bay, or pig-hunters in the palmettos?
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