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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 01:05 PM
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Is "shall issue" concealed carry in California's near future?



Concealed Carry of handguns imminent?


* September 6th, 2010 4:02 am PT

Very likely by Thanksgiving.

San Diego, like Los Angeles, issues very few licences to carry a concealed weapon. Licenses issued by both jurisdictions are capricious and arbitrary. In the case of Peruta v San Diego, the Sheriff's department favored a private organization called the Honorable Deputy Sheriff's Association. Not a single member in good standing who has applied since 2006 has been denied a license.

On Friday, the attorneys for Peruta filed a motion for a partial summary judgment. If the court grants the motion it would immediately require that all issuing authorities in the Southern District of California issue licences to carry a concealed weapon to everyone who applies and meets the non-discretionary requirements of obtaining a license or, hopefully, everyone who is at least 18 years of age and legally entitled to own a firearm as was found in Heller and McDonald.

It took the Court two months from the date that San Diego County Sheriff Gore filed his motion to dismiss the case and Judge Gonzalez issued her denial of the motion, and that included breaks for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years. The Court's denial of motion to dismiss was 18 pages long. Judge Gonzalez has already laid out the legal foundation for her decision. An order granting the partial summary judgement will most likely take less time.

So how does this affect those of us who don't live in the Southern District? It potentially affects everyone who lives in the 9th Circuit. Some more than others given that the only two states in the 9th Circuit which severely restricts carrying a loaded gun are Hawaii and California. Alaska and Arizona don't even require a license to carry a handgun, openly or concealed.

Assuming that there isn't something unusual in the summary judgement granted by the court it will provide a mechanism for everyone who lives in the 9th Circuit to obtain a CCW. Here is how. Once the judgement is granted, apply for a license to carry a concealed weapon and put "self-defense" as the reason. If you live in the Southern District and are denied your license, or the more likely scenario that the issuing authority just sits on your application, go to Judge Gonzalez's court. If the summary judgement comes with an injunction she will have most likely already spelled out the punishment for violating her order (e.g., $50,000 a day fine for every day the issuing authority is in violation). Fines quickly add up, especially in these days of declining tax revenues. The issuing authority will quickly comply. If one lives outside the district then one can immediately apply, or more likely, wait for someone else to apply and be denied a license based on self-defense. That person can then file his own case in his own district based upon equal protection via the Peruta case. Properly worded, this case will be more quickly decided. A Federal judge for your particular district (given the nature of the case, most likely the Chief Federal Judge) will either rule for you or against you. If against you then you are on a fast track to appeal. If you don't have the determination then wait. Someone else will.
http://www.examiner.com/la-in-los-angeles/concealed-carry-of-handguns-imminent


Note: the rest of the article is important to read as it discusses different scenarios included loaded open carry.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 01:21 PM
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1. About time the CA was forced to do the right thing with regards to CCW
If it was packaged as a budget reduction measure, it would be a slam dunk.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 01:19 AM
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4. I've been thinking the same thing for some time.

But instead of doing the right thing and earning some much needed revenue for the state, we get registration schemes and fingerprinting schemes that would add to our pain while serving the interests of the GOP. Brilliant! :eyes:
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GreenStormCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 03:09 PM
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2. Awesome ! N/T
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 03:20 PM
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3. Good. The system we have now needs to be modernized.
When the present system was created, a large percentage of Californians lived in communities that were small enough that the chief law enforcement officer had some reasonable probability of having actual knowledge of an applicant's circumstances, and of personally knowing the applicant himself or herself.

Discretionary issue might be appropriate for a small town with a benevolent sheriff or chief of police, but Californians don't live in Mayberry any more.


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HspncElvis Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 11:14 PM
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5. California Open Carry/Shall issue.
Does anybody know the latest on Open Carry in San Diego? Shall issue?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 02:12 PM
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6. Good- it's about time California understood it is part of the United States and must
abide by the Constitution.

mark
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:33 PM
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7. this will make my day.
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