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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:37 PM
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Chicago Police meet with gang leaders ...

Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis Meets with Chicago Gang Leaders
Updated: Thursday, 02 Sep 2010, 8:20 AM CDT

Chicago - Chicago Police are putting gang members on notice: stop the killings or officers will make their lives miserable.

It's part of a new anti-gang initiative that caught West Side gang leaders off guard.

They found out after being tricked into coming to a secret meeting earlier this month.

Leaders of several West Side gangs were told they needed to see their parole officers, but when they walked into the Garfield Park Observatory, Police Superintendent Jody Weis was there to greet them instead.

"What we're really focusing is on group responsibility. If one of these guys should kill another gang member, we're gonna come down with every bit of firepower we have, every prosecutive trick we know," Weis said.

***snip***

But with the stick, police also offered a carrot, holding out the prospect of jobs programs to give gang members an option besides a life of continued crime.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/jody-weis-meets-with-chicago-gang-leaders-20100828


Unfortunately the gang members were not impressed ...


Gang Members Blast City, Police Policies
Supt. Weis Has Threatened To Go After Gangs With Federal Law

Sep 2, 2010 6:28 pm US/Central

At a news conference organized by self-identified gang members Thursday morning, several speakers complained that police and city officials do not respect them, and that the only way to curb violence is to provide jobs and improve their community.

The men who spoke out Thursday morning blamed poverty, drugs and a lack of jobs for the problems in the streets. They also said that Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis' meeting with so-called gang leaders was a waste of time.

***snip***

Carter and those around him at Thursday's press conference don't take Weis seriously. In fact, they practically dismissed his meeting Saturday with gang leaders at the Garfield Park Conservatory as a waste of time.

"We have a serious epidemic going on in our communities. That is poverty. You say it's gangs, drugs and guns. We say we need jobs, opportunities and contracts," Berry said. "That's the resolution."

***snip***

When pressed on whether issues like that become the community's business when innocent people are killed in the streets, Berry said, "In no shape or fashion are we supporting innocent people dying."

But innocent people are dying almost every day. There's no arguing many Chicago communities could use more jobs, but that's a long-term solution. These men didn't seem to have any short term answers.

Asked what could be done immediately to try to get people to stop pulling the trigger, activist Wallace "Gator" Bradley, a former gang member, said, "What you're asking for can never happen."
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/gang.members.weis.2.1892495.html


And some city officials also had a negative view of the police meeting with gang members...


Weis' sit-down with gang members angers aldermen
'DESPERATION TACTIC' | Say top cop's meeting with gang leaders like a surrender

August 31, 2010

Police Supt. Jody Weis was accused Monday of "negotiating with urban terrorists" when he met secretly with West Side gang leaders at the Garfield Park Conservatory Aug.17 to pressure them to stop the bloodbath on Chicago streets.

Ald. Bob Fioretti (2nd), who is mulling a race for mayor, and Ald. Joe Moore (49th), one of Mayor Daley's most outspoken critics, said the secret session disguised as a routine parole meeting was tantamount to waving the white flag.

"I can't believe we're sitting down and negotiating with urban terrorists who are killing our kids with guns and drugs on the streets," Fioretti said.

"These are not people the superintendent ought to be negotiating with. They've now been elevated to equals. They're not equals. They belong in jail. It's an admission that the Police Department can't control the streets."

Fioretti ridiculed Weis' threat to use federal racketeering, commonly known as RICO statutes, to throw the book at gang leaders if the killing continues.

"What kind of approach is it to say, 'Cut the violence or else we're gonna go after you with everything we have?' What have you been doing for the last three, four, five years?" the alderman said.

"We ought to be working hard with the feds and U.S. Attorney's office to start applying these RICO statutes now instead of giving them a warning that says, 'If you kill somebody.' That didn't help this weekend."
emphasis added
http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/2656150,CST-NWS-weis31.article


In my opinion future gun control efforts need to be directed at criminals and especially at criminal gangs. We now have reasonable gun laws that work to help prevent the sale of firearms to people who are not responsible enough to own them.

Chicago is finally being forced to allow honest citizens the right to have a firearm in their home for self defense. While this will eventually save innocent lives, it will do nothing to stop gang related warfare. That's a job for the police and it's expensive, dangerous and difficult.

But the gang members mention the lack of availability of good jobs and the poverty in their commmunity. They have a good point. Of course, in order to get a good job you need a good education. Chicago seems to have major problems in their educational system.

It would also help if our country finally realized that the war on drugs is a big a failure as the prohibition of alcohol. It's time we legalized many currently illegal drugs and took the profit motive out of smuggling and dealing those drugs.

The most positive recent news from Chicago is ...


Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley to retire, speculation swirls around Rahm Emanuel candidacy

Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley's surprise announcement today that he would not seek a seventh term in 2011 immediately set off speculation that White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel would enter the race.

"In the end, this was a personal decision, no more, no less," Daley said in Chicago Tuesday. "I've been thinking about this for the last several months...It just feels right."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/afternoon-fix/afternoon-fix-chicago-mayor-da.html


:woohoo::applause:










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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:02 PM
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1.  To Quote Daley
"I've been thinking about this for the last several months...It just feels right."

Sounds like the same time frame as the ass kick from the McDonald decision.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:17 PM
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2. When I heard him, that's exactly what I thought. (n/t)
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:46 PM
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3. Rahm Emanuel? n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:24 PM
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7. Anybody would be an improvement over Daley. However ...

Emanuel is generally liberal on social issues. He maintained a 100 percent pro-choice voting record and is a strong supporter of gun control, rated "F" by the NRA in December 2003.<51> He has also strongly supported the banning of numerous rifles based upon "sporting" purposes criteria.<52> He has aligned himself with the centrist wing of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Leadership Council.<53><54>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel


Obviously the citizens of Chicago who believe that gun control works will support him if he runs for Mayor.

Hopefully, if he does become mayor, he will address the crime and murder problem in the windy city by improving law enforcement to curb gang activity. He might also focus on eliminating the corruption that exists in the city government.

The King of Chicago is indeed a rewarding position. I can easily visualize Rahm with a crown on his head.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:51 PM
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4. Somehow I can't see your typical drug dealer flipping burgers or working in the DMV..
What kind of job could a city provide that would appeal to your typical street criminal? Sure, a job where you don't stand so much of a chance at getting shot or arrested is good, but is the pay cut worth it to them?

Of course the cynic in me says Daley's already got a bunch of thugs and hoodlums working in the city government, what's a few more? Maybe one day, they too, can be aldermen, maybe even mayor!
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:58 PM
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5. That's a big problem ...
Edited on Tue Sep-07-10 09:05 PM by spin
many of these drug dealers lack the education to get a good job. Many lack even a high school education. Most of the good jobs that such unfortunate individuals could get have been outsourced to other countries.

There are no simple solutions.


School Failure
Our analysis of data from the Northwestern Juvenile Project indicates that juvenile detainees are, academically speaking, a troubled population. Standardized vocabulary scores were on average below the fifth percentile based on national norms; that is, the average youth in juvenile detention in Chicago in the late 1990s scored lower in reading than 95 percent of all similarly aged youth nationwide. Twenty-six percent of the Chicago youth in juvenile detention reported that they had dropped out or were expelled from school. Forty-eight percent reported that their last report card had no better than a “D” average. A large share of detained youth had dropped out of school altogether, and, in fact, gang involvement is thought to help youth fill the void after they have dropped out.<11> Nationwide, high school graduation rates have been declining in recent decades, while the labor market rewards to a diploma have been increasing.12 While improving our public schools remains a high priority everywhere, student engagement is also necessary for any school to be a success, and it is possible that many youth may not adequately understand the value of schooling for their future. Improving the schooling engagement and outcomes for high-risk youth seems like a particularly important component of any antiviolence strategy, because—unlike such after-the-fact strategies as sending juvenile offenders to detention—prevention programs that improve schooling outcomes have the potential to reduce the burden of violence and delinquency to society while at the same time helping, rather than harming, those youth who are at highest risk for violence involvement.
http://crimelab.uchicago.edu/gun_violence/report.shtml


edited to add excerpt and link
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 03:44 PM
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11. Jesus Christ! I'd like a job flipping burgers! Do I have to become a thug?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:24 PM
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6. "stop the killings or officers will make their lives miserable"
Isn't that what they are supposed to be fucking doing already?!?!?!?!

Jesus Christ on a fucking pogo stick.

"Stop! Or we'll yell 'Stop!' again!"

What a bunch of absolute nadir fucktards. Holy shit.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:37 PM
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9. Well you can see why Chicago has a problem ...
I wonder if the cops get protection money from the criminals.


Career burgler: I bribed cops
August 6, 2007


A career burglar with ties to the mob testified today in the Family Secrets case that he indirectly bribed police through Chicago attorneys, including Sam Banks, the brother of 36th Ward Ald. William Banks.

Sal Romano, who worked under Anthony Spilotro, said he paid hired Sam Banks on the advice of Chicago police after Romano was arrested and believed they were bribed through money Romano paid his attorney. But Romano acknowledged he never saw Banks hand any money to police.

Romano said his case involving stolen property was thrown out.

***spin***

Romano said another lawyer he hired for another case, Dean Wolfson, was more direct about the bribery.

Wolfson was later convicted of bribing judges as part of Operation Greylord.

Romano said after he gave Wolfson $10,000, the attorney instructed an assistant that a certain portion of the money was for the judge in the case, while the remainder was for the police.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mob/499426,CST-NWS-secrets06.article







Feds: Chicago Cop Victor Brown Took Bribes, Claimed He Could Sway Police Board
First Posted: 05-11-10 12:56 PM | Updated: 05-11-10 01:03 PM

When a Chicago police officer was facing disciplinary action from the Police Board, he turned to Victor Brown, a 36-year-old cop who promised he had sway with the board. Brown took $4,500 from the other officer, which he claimed he was using to grease palms on the Board.

This is according to the FBI, which in conjunction with CPD Internal Affairs brought charges against Brown yesterday.

How do they know? The other officer was an FBI informant, who wore a wire and paid with marked bills.

Because it's not alleged that Brown actually tried to influence the Board, or did anything with the money but pocket it, he's not charged with corruption or bribery. Instead, he faces charges of lying to a federal officer, when he denied that he was taking cash during questioning in February.

According to a Chicago Tribune report, Brown took the first payment in a restaurant, hidden inside a newspaper. All in all, he was seeking $10,000, which he told the officer would be enough to sway the Police Board.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/11/feds-chicago-cop-victor-b_n_571801.html

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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:31 PM
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8. I really thought this was an article from The Onion.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 11:13 PM
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10. +1... the onion probably had to scrap this as an article. Nt
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 06:52 PM
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12. Why am I flashing back to old "Hill Street Blues" episodes?
This sounds horribly like Frank Furillo getting Los Diablos, the Shamrocks, the Mau-Mau and the Gypsy Boys into the briefing room and having to endure the sarcastic comments of Jesus Martinez in order to avert yet another gang war.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 08:55 PM
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14. CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIITTTTT !!!!!
And then he does that beer bottles on the fingers thing . Different guys I know .

Wow that was such a short time ago . They really have come such a long way towards being an actual insurgency , an occupying force in these United States . And all the problems they cause , we will be asked to pay for . They are the main reason so many feel we cant have nice things . Like 2a rights .
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 07:00 PM
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13. Ok... So what? "Chicago Police meet with gang leaders ..."
Edited on Wed Sep-08-10 07:00 PM by Glassunion
So the police met with the Aldermen. Big deal... What's the story?
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 09:41 PM
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15. It could indicate that the city is about to finally crack down on drug gangs ...
The fact that the police are so polite as to warn the drug gangs of the upcoming campaign makes me wonder if the police aren't getting money from the drug gangs. This would not be unusual in Chicago. Of course, it is also possible that the police are content to just arrive and set up a crime scene after a drive by shooting. The gangs are reputed to have better weapons than the police and the police probably do not want to start a war with the gangs.

Chicago does have a major problem with gun violence and much is caused by turf wars between gangs. Chicago received a lot of bad publicity over its murder rate recently. Two state representatives asked Gov. Quinn to bring in the National Guard back in April.


2 Chicago state reps: Bring in the National Guard
April 25, 2010 10:48 PM

Chicago Democrats John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford said they want Quinn, Mayor Richard Daley and Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis to allow guardsmen to patrol streets and help quell violence. Weis said he did not support the idea because the military and police operate under different rules.

"Is this a drastic call to action? Of course it is," Fritchey said. "Is it warranted when we are losing residents to gun violence at such an alarming rate? Without question. We are not talking about rolling tanks down the street or having armed guards on each corner."

What he envisions, Fritchey said, is a "heightened presence on the streets," particularly on the roughly 9 percent of city blocks where most of the city's violent crimes occur.

Weis previously identified those "hot spots" and said he plans to create a 100-person team made up of selected and volunteer police personnel to respond to crime there. If guardsmen were to assist police, they could comprise or contribute to that force, Fritchey said.

So far this year, 113 people have been killed across Chicago, the same number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in the same period, Fritchey said.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/state-reps-want-to-fight-violence-with-national-guards-help.html


Chicago also got a lot of attention because of the recent Supreme Court slap down on the Chicago gun ban.


Bad Luck for Chicago's Bloody Summer
What a recent high-court ruling on handgun bans means for a city that saw 54 people shot and 10 killed in one weekend.


By: Lynette Holloway | Posted: June 30, 2010 at 6:29 AM

Just last weekend, a veteran Chicago law enforcement officer said he was hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court would strike down the city's longstanding handgun ban because it would help address the city's intractable gang problem.

"That way everybody would be able to carry a gun,'' said the veteran officer, who patrols the border of West Englewood, one of the city's deadliest neighborhoods, and spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of reprisal. "Gang bangers will think twice about robbing people because they won't know if they are carrying a weapon, too

***snip***

To the dismay of Mayor Richard M. Daley and Police Superintendent Jody Weis, the ruling essentially renders Chicago's handgun ban unenforceable. For years, the two have fought to rid the streets of guns, saying they contribute to gang warfare. Just recently, police said gangs were mostly responsible for a paroxysm of violence that left 10 people dead and 44 shot (including a baby girl) across the city one recent summer weekend.

So far this year, there have been 209 homicides, a number the city didn't see until July last year, according to RedEye, a Tribune service that tracks homicides in the city. Police attribute much of the bloodshed to gang violence.

"It is a well-known fact that Chicago gang members are better armed than Chicago police officers,'' said the law enforcement veteran, who has 20 years on the force, "but they are not engaged in warfare with us. They are shooting each other. Unfortunately, these bullets don't have names on them. They hit whoever's in their path. They don't care. They shoot and run. We don't catch them because they know that by the time we get there, they will be gone because we do not have enough officers to respond to calls fast enough.''
http://www.theroot.com/views/bad-luck-chicagos-bloody-summer


The chances of allowing Chicago residents to own handguns in the homes, causing a decrease in gang related murder seems slim to me. It will, however, allow honest residents the chance to use handguns for self defense in case of a home invasion. The city, unfortunately, has put numerous hurdles in the path of obtaining a handgun. Few people will have the time and the money and the patience to get permission to own one.

But the program that might be launched by the Chicago police is serious and effective...


The heat could include towing gang members' cars for parking violations, pulling them in for more parole visits or repeatedly pulling them in for traffic violations.

Weis also made it clear to the gang leaders that this will not be a pass on other criminal activity, emphasizing that the joint law enforcement effort will also use the racketeering statutes in their crackdown.

"If you buy a car for your mom, we'll take that car. If you buy a home for your mother, we'll take that home, as long as we can tie it to the proceeds of your illegal activity," Weis said he told the gangs.

But with the stick, police also offered a carrot, holding out the prospect of jobs programs to give gang members an option besides a life of continued crime.

Some police officers were critical of the meeting, seeing it as a sign of weakness, but Weis said the program has been tried and worked in cities such as Boston and Cincinnati.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/jody-weis-meets-with-chicago-gang-leaders-20100828


From my view, the point is that draconian gun control directed at honest citizens accomplishes little or nothing. Obviously, we do need some gun control laws in our nation and basically what we have is fairly effective at insuring that gun stores sell to honest citizens. These laws can be improved by tweaking and in the case of the NICS background check, better financing to allow the states to input more criminal records faster.

I have often stated that I feel that now is the time to focus future gun control efforts on the criminal element. Eliminating or at least curtailing these constant turf wars between gangs could help bring down the murder rate in many cities. We need strict enforcement of existing gun laws coupled with a justice system that is not merely a revolving door.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 10:06 PM
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16. You missed the joke
Gangs... Aldermen...
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:16 AM
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18. LOL. Slipped right past me. (n/t)
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 10:48 PM
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17. Ooooo.... Snap! n/t
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