Homeowner shoots irate man over parked car

[oneshooter]

The headline is a little confusing.

HOUSTON (KTRK) -- A feud over a parking spot led a homeowner to shoot a man who allegedly tried to break into his home.
The windows and glass on the front door of Frank Johnson's house were shattered in the break-in. Johnson says he returned home early this morning to find a parked car blocking his driveway on Fargo near Stanford in the Montrose area. Police towed the car.
About 45 minutes later, the driver returned and flew into a rage to find his car gone. Johnson heard a commotion in front of his house, and grabbed his gun.
"When I got up to the front of the house here, he was busting the door in and actually inside the house," Johnson said. "Well, I shot through the window at the guy and hit him right there on the spot."

The driver was shot in the leg, and is expected to be OK.


http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7674248

And the stupid learn the hard way!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hoopla Phil]

1. That guy had to be whacked out on something. What did he hope

to accomplish by breaking into the home? It's not like he'd find his car in there.

[MichaelHarris]

2. meanwhile

Gunman Taken Down by U.S. Capitol Police in D.C. Shooting Incident
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/17/gunman-taken-capitol-police-dc-shooting-incident/

Police say argument over girlfriend led to Wheatfield dad's fatal shooting
http://www.jconline.com/article/20100917/NEWS03/9170330/UPDATE-Police-say-argument-over-girlfriend-led-to-Wheatfield-dad-s-fatal-shooting

Case Of Road Rage Ends With Man's Fatal Shooting
http://cbs4.com/local/Road.Rage.Pompano.2.1915359.html

Did you need more.....

[X_Digger]

3. meanwhile..

Collinsville photographer charged in child porn case
http://www.tulsaworld.com/webextra/content/2010/crimesite/article.aspx?subjectid=450&articleid=20100826_11_0_AColli98336

Photographer Charged In Sex Assault On Teens
http://www.wmur.com/r/24578970/detail.html

Former Army photographer charged with child porn loses kids in divorce
http://www.pulaskicountydaily.com/news.php?viewStory=1913

Former local photographer charged in sex probe
http://crossville-chronicle.com/local/x794085189/Former-local-photographer-charged-in-sex-probe

Ban cameras, it's for the children!

[cleanhippie]

4. BORING. Be More Funny!

Your act is getting stale.

[cleanhippie]

5. Quick! Post CWP holders that prevented crimes!

Or will he run away again?

[MichaelHarris]

9. got any?

[cleanhippie]

18. PLenty, and they have already been shown to you, SEVERAL TIMES.

But you relish your willful ignorance.

[MichaelHarris]

19. really?

I haven't seen um. I mean I've seen the church lady but since CWP laws went into effect how many do you have? Post um so we all know. Now I see where you changed the question. IT WASN'T HOW MANY STOPPED CRIMES. It was HOW MANY STOPPED MASS SHOOTINGS. You knew that though, when you couldn't answer the original question you change it into one you can?

[cleanhippie]

20. BORING!

Your act is getting old.

[MichaelHarris]

21. so

in other words you have nothing.

[Hoopla Phil]

25. In other words, go back and read all the responses for the previous times

you've asked that question. Odd how you never responded to them. . .

[cleanhippie]

30. Even MORE boring......

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

[MichaelHarris]

33. 3 days and

all you say is boring? You know what is boring? Waiting for you to actually back up your claim.

[cleanhippie]

35. I made no claim, YOU did you hypocrite.

Get a new act.

[MichaelHarris]

38. Well

You--"Quick! Post CWP holders that prevented {mass shootings} crimes!"

Me--"Got any?"

Guess not.

[X_Digger]

34. How many concealed carriers stopped a meteorite by shooting it into a million pieces?

That's just as valid a question. You keep asking yours as though it's supposed to mean something- did someone claim that CHL would stop mass shootings?

There are approximately 6M CHL holders out of a population of 310M. Roughly one in fifty people. If we assume 75% carry daily, that ratio becomes about one in seventy.

Now, where do most mass shootings occur? Schools, mostly- VT, Appalachian Law School, McDonogh High, Columbine. Coincidentally (or not) schools are typically off-limits for concealed carry. Churches? Off-limits in many states. Malls? Off-limits in many places- not by statute, but by property owners wish.

So you'd have to have a mass shooting (rare event) in a place not off-limits to CHL holders (more rare), and have a concealed carry holder be threatened (even more rare). After all, a CHL isn't a police badge. Most CHL holders I know try to avoid conflict more so than your average joe. The chances of those three circumstances occurring at the same time, are astronomical.

[SteveM]

36. Yeah, but it cost a lot. Don't mooch. nt

[oneshooter]

6. What did that heve to do with the OP? n/t

[pneutin]

10. Ok, I'll bite

Gunman Taken Down by U.S. Capitol Police in D.C. Shooting Incident
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/17/gunman-taken-capit... /
So? Good work by Capitol Police. No innocents harmed.

Police say argument over girlfriend led to Wheatfield dad's fatal shooting
http://www.jconline.com/article/20100917/NEWS03/9170330...
The son, 17 years old, had an argument with his dad who allegedly made sexual advances toward the son's girlfriend. Dad retrieved shotgun and fired it somewhere in the front yard. At some point Dad laid the gun down, son picked it up, and fired one round into Dad's back. Shooting may or may not have been justified.

Case Of Road Rage Ends With Man's Fatal Shooting
http://cbs4.com/local/Road.Rage.Pompano.2.1915359.html
The road rager got out of his car, approached the victim's car, argued, and tried to open his door by reaching through his window. The victim, fearing for his safety, fired in self defense at the aggressor. Shooting was justified.

[Glassunion]

11. Um...

One out of the three stories you posted was a self defense shooting. So far no charges.

[Euromutt]

12. I just love how certain people hear or read "road rage" and "shooting"...

...and immediately assume (without bothering to verify their assumption) that it must have been the road rager doing the shooting. Based on my completely unscientific sample of news stories discussed on this forum, I get the impression that more often than not, the shooter is the person defending himself against the road rager.

[Euromutt]

14. Oh, that's not a blatant thread hijacking AT ALL

Why don't you start your own police blotter thread instead of taking a crap all over someone else's?

[proteus_lives]

16. You don't.

You're already hot to punish many for the sins of the few.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

7. And when it gets out of control and looks like Mexico, What then?

[Hoopla Phil]

8. When??? I don't understand how it is possible much less "when". See in Mexico

The criminals breaking into homes are the ones with the guns and the home owner's cannot legally have arms. IMO if more homeowners in Mexico were legally armed (like in the U.S.) things may actually improve.

[friendly_iconoclast]

13. Thanks for posting that, we haven't had any "rivers of blood in the streets" posts lately here.

You've provided the perfect opportunity to point out that blood didn't flow the 53,427 times this was predicted

before.


Heh.

[Glassunion]

15. .

[proteus_lives]

17. Your next post: "THE CHILDREN! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

:rofl:

[PavePusher]

22. You mean despite our falling crime rates?

I think you're on the wrong web-site to be playing an ignorant tool.

[Katya Mullethov]

23. They get free run of the place like..... now ?

A monthly stipend would seem in order as well .

[Euromutt]

31. As opposed to some asshole with a chip on his shoulder...

...feeling entitled to bust into someone's home (presumably with intent to inflict injury on the occupant) on the assumption that the someone in question was responsible for having the asshole's illegally parked car towed?

You know what? Based on my own experience--which is, I acknowledge, anecdotal and thus not necessarily representative for any scientific purpose--living in Europe for most of the life, and visiting various jurisdictions across the United States, I've noticed a clear correlation between the inclination of people to become verbally and/or physically abusive on the one hand, and the restrictiveness of laws on private possession of firearms (in particular carrying in public) on the other. Drivers in western Europe, and in the Bay Area and greater Los Angeles in California, and in and around New York City, are significantly more likely to display assholish behavior towards others in traffic than drivers in Washington state, Kansas or Nevada. Frankly, I think Heinlein's line about an armed society being a polite society applies.

Oh sure, you can argue that it's a barbaric state of affairs that the inclination to engage in what one might call civilized behavior should emanate from the fear of having violence inflicted upon oneself, and in the abstract, I would agree. Unfortunately, the human species evidently contains a rather large number of individuals who are unable or unwilling to restrain themselves from engaging in uncivilized behavior unless threatened with force. Which is why every society has a police force, to provide that deterrent threat of violence upon those who transgress the rules of social intercourse. Whether the threat of violence stems from private citizens or agents of the state makes no difference concerning the principle of using (the threat of) force to force compliance with societal rules.

But the very fact that every society above tribal level has a police force indicates that civilized behavior does not come naturally to all members of a given society. And if the police force is unable to interdict every crime in progress (as empirical evidence shows it is not), then it follows that private citizens should be allowed to carry the most effective tools of deterrence (i.e. firearms) themselves.

[SteveM]

37. How 'bout legalization and regulation of dope? Otherwise...

crime rates have been falling.

[lawodevolution]

39. Yeah, let's talk about Mexico.

Mexico has a civilian gun possession rate of 15 per 100. The US gun possession rate is 90 per 100. If eliminating guns is your religion, you must blindly have faith that Mexico has a lower rate of violence than the USA, so what I'm about to write will either not be read by you or will be dismissed. El Paso, Texas has a murder rate of 2.2 per 100,000 which is the lowest in the USA, there are more guns than people here and few restrictions on gun ownership. The lower range murder rate in Juarez is 120 per 100,000 and they have a total gun ban for Juarez. The people of Juarez and el paso mix and are similar populations. Both the rich and poor cross the border. In fact the murder rate of El Paso would be lower if all the illegals were counted in El Paso's population, and trust me, we have a large portion of our population without documentation and who are not counted. Lots of people live in Juarez and work in el paso, and lots live in el paso and work in Juarez. Based on SharesUnited's view Mexico is a paradise in which there is less violence than the USA because in Mexico guns are 6 times more scarce than in the USA. But Mexico is 3 times more violent and Juarez is at least 60 times more violent than El Paso. Stopping Mexicans from buying guns won't help reduce violence because Mexicans are not violent by nature--El Paso is 80% Latino and one of the poorest cities in the US yet has the lowest murder rate of major cities. It's the fault of bad policy in Mexico that they have out of control violence, and here in this region we know that the drug gang members are exta bold in Juarez because the good people are disarmed, in Juarez if they see a woman they like they will come up to the boyfriend or husband and say "prestame tu novia" which means lend me your girlfriend and if you resist they kill you, but these cowards will not do this in El Paso because it would get them killed because in El Paso we have a right to self defense, the right to own guns and the right to carry if you can pass background checks and the shooting class.

[Katya Mullethov]

24. Good use of cover .

Confusing ? Misleading at best .

[MichaelHarris]

26. Wrong forum

according to the mods now shootings belong in the state forum in which they happen.

[X_Digger]

27. See the sticky at the top? Click on it and you'll see..

"Discussion of gun-related public policy issues or the use of firearms for self-defense belong in the Guns Forum."

[Hoopla Phil]

28. Some just were their feelings on their sleeve.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=180x65749#65751
LMFAO!!!!

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. Some people just can't keep their inner zampolit under control n/t

[Callisto32]

29. Man gets self shot breaking into home.

Not as sensational, eh?

Too bad selling papers/ads is higher on the list than journalistic integrity...