Democratic Governor in Ohio is for concealed carry in restaurants ...

[spin]

Gov. Strickland calls for passage of restaurant carry in campaign letter; Contrasts record with his Republican opponent
Submitted by cbaus on Thu, 09/16/2010 - 07:00

Governor Ted Strickland, in a letter mailed today on Sportsmen for Strickland letterhead, said "I look forward to signing Restaurant Carry legislation."

The letter, addressed to "Ohio Gun Owners," documents the progress the administration has made for gun owners over the past three and a half years.

Working with you, we have made great strides to defend freedom. My commitment to Sportsmen's and gun owner's rights has been life-long and I believe that protecting our 2nd Amendment Rights is vital to ensuring our freedoms. I have signed legislation to make the Castle Doctrine the law of Ohio, reduced the restrictions on concealed carry license holders, clarified the rules on the transport of firearms, and I look forward to signing Restaurant Carry legislation.

The letter goes on to say that Ohio gun owners' support is critical to protect Ohio from becoming a state that is hostile to gun owner rights:

***snip***

Buckeye Firearms Association welcomes the Governor's public call for Speaker Armond Budish (D) to pass SB239 (Restaurant & Carry Carry Rules Fix) before the end of the 128th General Assembly on Dec. 31, 2010 (the bill has already passed with overwhelming bipartisan support in the Senate). We appreciate all the work the Governor has done to advance the rights of Ohio gun owners and reverse the damage inflicted by the Taft and Voinovich administrations over the previous 16 years. emphasis added
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7434

SB239 (Restaurant Carry & Car Carry Rules Fix) scheduled for sponsor/ proponent testimony in Senate committee
Submitted by cbaus on Fri, 03/19/2010 - 12:58.

The Senate Judiciary on Criminal Justice Committee, chaired by Sen. Tim Grendell (R-18), will hear sponsor and proponent testimony on SB239, introduced this week by Senator Shannon Jones and Senator Tim Schaffer to allow citizens who hold a valid concealed handgun license (CHL) to carry a firearm in restaurants, and to reduce burdensome restrictions regarding how a license holder must transport a firearm in a car, on Wednesday, March 24 at 10:15 AM in the Senate Building's South Hearing Room.

"This bill makes Ohio's laws more consistent with the norm for what other states are doing," said Senator Jones. "Six years after concealed carry became law in Ohio we have not experienced the lawlessness or 'doom and gloom' predictions that some claimed would come true. Ohio gun owners have proven themselves just as responsible as those in other states, and this refinement of our concealed carry laws is a logical next step to help our citizens legally protect themselves and their families."

Buckeye Firearms Association is calling on the Ohio Senate to quickly move this bill through the legislative process and to send it to the House.

The House has already held several hearings on HB203, which also seeks to allow license-holders to carry in restaurants.
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7188

To see the text of the bill visit:
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=128_SB_239



It should be noted that Governor Strickland has an NRA endorsement.

Strickland picks up major endorsement from NRA in governor's race
Published: Monday, June 14, 2010, 1:40 PM Updated: Monday, June 14, 2010, 6:16 PM

COLUMBUS, Ohio – Gov. Ted Strickland's re-election campaign received a major boost on Monday when the powerful National Rifle Association endorsed him over Republican challenger John Kasich.

The Democratic incumbent celebrated the support from the gun rights group by making campaign stops with NRA lobbyist John Hohenwarter in rural, socially conservative Proctorville in Southern Ohio and Martins Ferry in Eastern Ohio, both along the West Virginia border.

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"I have always offered my unyielding support of Second Amendment rights and fought against any efforts to weaken these rights," Strickland told supporters at a Sportsmen's shop in Proctorville. "Ohioans deserve a governor who will not waver on the rights of gun owners."

***snip***

In 1994, Strickland, during his first term in Washington, bucked Democratic President Bill Clinton's high-profile crime bill because it included a ban on assault-style weapons. Kasich voted for the crime bill and supported the ban.

As a result, the NRA bestowed its "A" rating on Strickland, which he has maintained since. Kasich in 1994 was given an "F" rating by the NRA.
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2010/06/strickland_picks_up_major_endo.html

[Deep13]

1. Yeah, I don't agree with that even though I'm pretty pro-gun.

That is unless the restaurant does NOT serve alcohol. I just think bringing a gun into a place where there are drunks is a bad idea even if the license holder is not drinking. Those who are capable of resorting to lethal force have a duty to avoid situations where a confrontation is likely.

[spin]

2. While what you say makes good commonsense ...

statistics do not show that allowing concealed carry in restaurants poses a significant problem. Forty two states currently allow it.

[jazzhound]

4. That's the problem with good common sense.

W/regard to the guns/violence issue --- it frequently makes no sense!

[PavePusher]

7. If only I knew where all those places were.

Restaurants, by and large, do not seem to be overwhelmed with problem drunks, and if I'm not drinking, then my security is the issue, not the drunks.

[benEzra]

16. I have never, in my entire life (I'm 39) seen a drunk in a *restaurant* that served alcohol.

Bars, sure. But not restaurants. Would you consider confrontations likely in Olive Garden? Applebee's? Texas Steakhouse? Outback?

If there are barroom brawls in places like that---or in fine restaurants with wine lists---they must be keeping it a pretty darn good secret.

FWIW, Florida has a rule that carry is OK in restaurants that serve alcohol, but prohibited in bars (a bar being defined as an establishment that derives 51% or more of its revenue from alcohol sales). You cannot drink while carrying, but you do not have to become a Carrie Nation/Fundie clone in order to carry with a license there. I wish that were the case in NC, one of the few states that does not allow restaurant carry, but I think that has a lot to do with the surprisingly Prohibitionist streak you find in NC.

[spin]

23. I live in Florida and I find the gun laws here very reasonable ...

and Florida's concealed weapons permit law have often been used as a basis for concealed weapons law in other states.

Florida's 1987 reform law set off the modern wave of carry reform that has now been copied in many other states. Among all the states, Florida has collected the most detailed information about the impact of the carry laws. Florida also provides a good test case for the possible negative impacts of carry reform. A high-crime state with heavy urbanization, a massively over-crowded prison system, and an extremely diverse (and often tense) ethnic mix of population, Florida has all the ingredients for concealed carry disaster.
http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/shallissue.htm

[benEzra]

24. NC laws are far less reasonable...

perhaps because NC held on to Jim Crow attitudes longer than Florida did, and perhaps because of the general authoritarian streak that pervade's this state's institutions. But we are ranked 13th strictest in the nation by the Brady Campaign, largely for stuff that has no reasonable relationship to crime prevention.

I would like to see restaurant carry here, and we may yet get it.

[spin]

25. Restaurant carry causes no significant problems ...

hopefully you will not need a Luby's massacre to pass the law.

[Travis_0004]

27. There is a difference between bar and restaurant

Think of a place like Chiptole. They have a license to sell alcohol, but I bet it makes up 1% of their sales. Even a place like applebees, etc, alcohol is a pretty small percent of their sales. I don't think confrontation is more likely there just because they sell alcohol.

[old mark]

3. I carry concealed every time I leave my home, and even though I no longer

frequent places serving alcohol, I do carry in them and would anyway - you would never know I am carrying unless you searched me, and you would have no reason to do so.

mark

[doc03]

5. I don't understand, there are no laws against CC in (restaurants)

that I know of now. Does it mean restaurants that serve alcohol? What is the difference between a restaurant and a bar? Most bars have food. There is a biker bar near me that sells great fish sandwiches I certainly wouldn't want them armed.

[spin]

6. States differ on regulations ...

For example Florida's law states that even with a concealed weapons permit you can not carry a weapon into "any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose" http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0790/Sec06.HTM

Which means that you can carry into a restaurant that serves alcohol, but only in the restaurant portion, not the bar.

If you go to this link and click on your state you should be able to view the law.

http://opencarry.org/restaurant.html

edited to add link

[jeepnstein]

8. Ohio liquor licensing...

goes in steps. There are some permits for establishments that primarily serve alcohol (bars) and permits for those that get most of their income from serving food (restaurants). As it stands now, if a restaurant serves alcohol, concealed carry is prohibited. There would still be a prohibition against consuming alcohol while carrying concealed. Gov. Strickland would ease the restriction on carrying concealed in restaurants providing the individual is not drinking. As usual, I tend to agree with him.

[shadowrider]

11. Depends on your definition of "biker". 1%'ers, I can almost guarantee, are carrying

"Bikers" who ride Goldwings, not so much.

[jeepnstein]

18. Not always.

Most of the real 1%'rs I rode with preferred a ball-pein hammer, a primary chain, or a knife. A couple of them would be packing but most of the group generally wouldn't risk it. Getting busted is a way of life for those guys and they try to avoid it as much as they can until it becomes a matter of money or honor.

Not that it matters in this case since most of them are convicted felons. They're not likely going to qualify for a Concealed Carry Permit.

[shadowrider]

19. A true statement. That said, there are enough around to go around, if necessary. n/t

[kctim]

28. Not in public like that

[SteveM]

12. In Texas, an establishment must earn 51% income from food sales...

to establish it as a restaurant, and in order not to be a bar de facto parading as a restaurant.

[merqz]

13. my state

distinguishes between restaurants the sell alcohol etc. vs. BARS. Merely selling some food, along with alcohol, does not make an establishment into a restaurant, anymore than serving beer with food makes them into a bar.

The state liquor board helps define the difference, and some businesses are dual. Iow, they have bar areas that are off limits to concealed carry, and restaurants that are not. Applebees, for example.

It's similar to how bars by law must exclude people under the age of 21, but restaurants that serve alcohol do not. If you can't get in unless you are 21, you know it's a bar. Again, Applebees is a good example of the dual restaurant/bar. In the bar area, it is illegal for an under 21 yoa person to be there, but not in the restaurant in general. Cheesecake Factory is set up similarly.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

9. Tim Ryan and Ted Strickland have been, in general, very good for ohio on several fronts.

I feel that carry in RESTARUNTS that serve alcohol should be OK and would have no problems about restricting carry in bars. Treating a mom & pop diner or franchise restaraunt (that serves cold beer) isn't the same as a saloon or bar. Very few innocuous family style or upper class restaraunts are liquor free. I like the way texas does it... if a majority of your net income is from alcohol then you are "bar" (no carrying in bars).

[spin]

10. We need more Democrats like them! (n/t)

[oneshooter]

14. This is not going to go well with a certain Ohio DU member. n/t

[jazzhound]

15. Unsafe in Ohio?! NT

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. They are Safer than they like to pretend they are.

I might add that their "concern t*******" is quite obvious, despite the disingenuous protests to the contrary.

[Kolesar]

20. When a Democrat runs on RW issues, he LOSES

Strickland should be running on issues that reinforce the credibility of progressive message, instead of relying on these election-season gimmicks.

Candidate Kasich has no friggin' idea about Ohio's high tech job policies. Ohio is in for a bleak period.

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. Strickland already *had* a 'progressive message'. Where have you been?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4549129

Newsjock (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-22-10 10:35 AM
Original message
Ohio will not budge on outsourcing ban
Source: Computerworld

Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland defended his order to ban offshoring of state government work, describing it as "common sense".

In a letter to U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, Strickland said that "no one in India, or anywhere else, is going to tell the citizens of Ohio where we can create jobs or how we can spend our resources."......

BTW, can you explain just what is un-"progressive" or "RW" about an action that has not been shown to provide any demonstrable

harm to public safety when done elsewhere?

TIA.

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. Oops, looks like I asked an awkward question. Funny how that seems to happen, innit? n/t

[benEzra]

22. Ummm, Strickland WON the governorship running as a pro-2ndA Dem

against an anti-2ndA repub. I'm not sure why you think flip-flopping on the issue now in order to align himself with failed Third Way/DLC anti-gun orthodoxy would help him.