Prosecutors are still trying to determine what caused the shootings.

[sharesunited]

Let me try and help them.

Access to a gun and ammo.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/01/new.jersey.fire.shooting/index.html?hpt=T2

[baldguy]

1. Stupidity, too. Don't for get stupidity.

I'm sure they guy bought the gun "to keep his family safe".

[cleanhippie]

16. I don't follow. Are you saying that stupidity caused that post?

[SteveM]

19. "...they guy bought the gun." "Stupidity."

[PavePusher]

2. The gun "caused" the shootings?

No more than the can of gas "caused" the fire.

Tools don't "cause" anything.

Don't worry about moving your goalposts, I'm done with this one.

[Glassunion]

4. And utensils gave me high cholesterol?

[krispos42]

13. Obviously if we ban forks and spoons, we'll all be healthier.

Utensil-related obesity would plunge sharply.

[spin]

18. Not unless we carefully washed our hands before eating...

or adopted etiquette used by some Arabs ...

Among Muslims, the left hand is reserved for bodily hygiene and considered unclean. Thus, the right hand should be used for eating. Shaking hands or handing over an item with one's left hand is considered an insult.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_the_Middle_East

• When served a beverage, accept with the RIGHT HAND
ONLY! When eating, drinking, offering, or passing use
right hand only!

• When eating with Arabs, especially when taking food from
communal dishes, the left hand must never be used, it is
considered unclean.
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/army/arabculture.pdf

[Glassunion]

20. Ban hands... It's the only way we'll be safe.

[krispos42]

23. Irrelevent. UTENSIL-related obesity and illness will decline

What matters is not the overall obesity and foodborne-illness rate, it's the utensil-related obesity and foodborne-illness rate that is of paramount importance!

[Glassunion]

3. Are you implying that this would have never happened had this guy not had a firearm?

That he would have not acted out in violence against the children?

[Callisto32]

6. I think my post here pretty much covers it...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=342232&mesg_id=342252

[Katya Mullethov]

7. It is easy for you to say that

But then , you don't believe in magic .

[Callisto32]

5. Cause and effect....

It doesn't work the way you think it does.

[slackmaster]

8. Darwin Award candidate

N&U for posting a "current events" article.

:nuke:

[Pavulon]

9. on trick

no solutions, no ideas, no logic. ever

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[Bold Lib]

11. Approximately 200 MILLION defensive gun uses every year by law abiding gun owners.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html

It is a shame and tragedy every time a life is lost to criminals. I wonder how many more there would be without the ability to legally defend yourself without a firearm.

[lawodevolution]

12. Nigeria is the country that best fits SU's view of a peaceful gun free society

Given that Nigeria has the worlds lowest gun possession rate and a total gun ban. Still violence is very common there.

[lawodevolution]

14. Consider this

In a room full of 50 people

1. If one person has a gun, what do you call him? Boss
2. In a room in which everyone had a gun? they are equals.
3. If there are no guns? Like in a gun ban there is a high risk that the most evil and ambitious person is trying to get a gun and when he does there will be no one to balance the power.

Scenario 3 is what is occurring in Mexico. Just the most evil of society have the guns. This happens to be what gun control groups want, and they are using sob stories to manipulate you emotionally because they are counting on your ignorance and are hoping you do not have access to real facts and that you have a weak mind.

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[SteveM]

21. There are tubes & wires and a cracked 45 record. Can't figure out where....nt

[proteus_lives]

17. I would say mental instability.

Oh wait, the gun decided to shoot people. Not the man. :eyes:

[57_TomCat]

22. When a gun kills someone...

is it arrested, read its rights, interrogated, given a phone call, put on trial, go to jail?

Does each round of ammunition get the same treatment or do they get a pass since they were in the gun?

If bullets are the culprit is it only bullets that hit that are prosecuted?

Of course if the ammo that hit is the culprit then would not the gun get a pass as well?

It's the guns fault right? Maybe the ammo's fault? I'm so confused.

I guess the person holding the gun when the evil ammo did the dirty deed gets a pass as well since he had nothing to do with the act right? Just held the gun that held the evil bullets.

[sharesunited]

24. This post is disingenuous, but that will never be an excuse for making it disappear.

We are not talking about controlling the gun, we are talking about controlling availability of the gun.

Guns and ammo are made scarce as matter of industrial and retail policy.

When we get to the point when the average citizen is asking How Does One Even Find A Brand New One?

Then we will know we are getting somewhere.

[RSillsbee]

25. When we get to the point when the average citizen is asking How Does One Even Find A Brand New One?

The average citizen isn't the problem. If you took every gun off the streets of America (as you posit) you would still have a crime problem. If you took every criminal off the streets of America you would not have a gun problem

[lawodevolution]

26. Yes we'll be getting somewhere more like Nigeria

In you little gun free fantasy world

[rrneck]

27. "...controlling availability of the gun..."

To control availability, you have to control the people who make the guns available. If you can't keep the people from shooting each other, what makes you can keep the same people from making guns available?

The weather was nice here. I hope it is nice tomorrow where you are so you can get outside and experience the real world.

[one-eyed fat man]

28. You are so clueless!

Criminals are not affected by the scarcity or the price. Drug smugglers are using submarines to smuggle drugs. There's a commodity that precisely fits your model. Where does an ordinary person go to buy a submarine?

You don't just pop open the Sears catalog and order one. There are no submarines for sale on ebay.

The drug cartels have the money to have one custom built. It is a BUSINESS decision for them. They have bean counters who can figure out just how many runs the sub has to make to pay for itself.

Scarcity and high prices only limit the buying of a commodity by a casual consumer. For someone who has determined the must have something to further their trade, than the price of the item is just the cost of doing business.

The ONLY time I have ever heard a criminal complain about the price of guns was a case in New Mexico. Some guy used a knife to hack up his wife and mother-in-law, was caught, tried, convicted and sentenced to death.

He argued against capital punishment by claiming since he was too poor to buy a gun he had no choice except to resort to less humane methods of murder.