Police: 7 Shot, 2 Dead In Gainesville

[RamboLiberal]

Source: News4Jax.com

GAINSVILLE, Fla. -- Seven people were shot -- two of them fatally -- in east Gainesville on Monday afternoon, and the gunman may have taken his own life.

Gainesville police said the first three victims were all at different locations in the city between 30 minutes starting about 4 p.m. Officers said the victims appear to have no connection to each other.

"We have no idea right now, absolutely none," Gainesville Cpl. Tscharna Senn said. "It appears to be random."

Five people were hospitalized at Shands Medical Center, but their conditions were not known.

Read more: http://www.news4jax.com/news/25276744/detail.html?source=jax

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On edit: The suspect, identified by relatives as Clifford Miller Jr., 24, was found dead in a truck at 2306 S.E. 46th Terrace from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to the Alachua County Sheriff's Office and relatives. Sheriff's deputies were responding to reports of shots heard and found the suspect dead in a red Chevrolet pickup.

“We believe we're with the suspect and the vehicle, and there is no one out there running around,” said GPD Capt. Ed Book.

When asked about a possible motive, Senn said: “We have no idea right now, absolutely none. It appears to be random.”

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20101004/ARTICLES/101009766/1109/sports?Title=Gainesville-gunman-killed-self-after-deadly-shooting-spree

[maxsolomon]

1. Amoklauf shootings averaging 1/week now?

Feels like it. If you're contemplating murder/suicide, make sure you do the suicide part 1st.

Now, DU: commence the pointless handgun debate.

[ManiacJoe]

3. Are you sure the weapon was a handgun?

[TroglodyteScholar]

4. ...

"If you're contemplating murder/suicide, make sure you do the suicide part 1st."

:thumbsup:

[Euromutt]

44. Tell it to the Japanese

The Japanese have different terms to distinguish domestic murder-suicides: ikka-shinju indicates that all the victims agreed to die, even if one or both parents actually carried out the killings before offing themselves. Muri-shinju is when a family member murders one or more other family members before committing suicide. Nevertheless, all victims of both ikka-shinju and muri-shinju are counted as suicides, not as homicides.

Muri-shinju< reportedly occur at a rate of at least daily.[br />
So if you ever find yourself speculating why the Japanese homicide rate is so low, and the Japanese suicide rate is so high, consider that an awful lot of deaths that would be classed as homicides in the U.S, are classed as suicides in Japan.

[Euromutt]

42. "Amoklauf"? Why use a German rendition of a Malay term on an English-language board?

In English, we say, "running amok" or "amuck." Germany never colonized any of the Malay-speaking areas, so I don't see how they might have any special insight into the phenomenon.

That said, interesting that you do invoke that particular phenomenon, since of course, the typical Malay amok episode didn't involve firearms, but rather a bladed implement like a kris or parang, indicating that the problem isn't availability of firearms, but rather, some culturally induced tendency to massacre a bunch of bystanders prior to the killer being killed himself.

[tomm2thumbs]

2. I think the handgun debate was handled effectively by Bowling for Columbine

worth a good watch if by chance anyone had missed it

depiction of life in a Canadian town across the border from Detroit was a wake-up to the real issues for me

[lawodevolution]

52. You mean it was handled one-sided and you think that is good

Did Mr Moore visit a small town in the US near Detroit?

Did he mention el paso and Juarez and their respective gun laws and murder rates.

If NRA representatives made a video on the gun control issue that would not be any kind of summary of the gun control debate. The only time there is good debate on the issue is when both sides are able to debate each other freely like on this forum.

[SteveM]

68. Did Klebold & co. use handguns at Columbine? Just curious.

[benEzra]

80. One 9mm handgun, one 10-shot 9mm carbine, 2 sawed off 12-gauge hunting shotguns. (n/t)

[The Straight Story]

5. Make a law against shooting others and people won't do it, pretty simple

or so I am told....

[divideandconquer]

7. The 2nd amendment is the only venue these lost souls have to express themselves

Some 2nd amendment extremists just use these tragedies to sell more guns, soon we'll have send a send your "daughters to school with "XYZ" brand firearms day". For others these incidents are a desperate cry for help from the underclass, the 2nd amendment is all many of these lost souls have to express themselves.

[Pavulon]

8. Boy two supreme court cases set that right, how many do you need?

really you should ban alcohol.

[Doctor_J]

16. Yes - "As soon as everyone is packing an UZI, this kind of thing will cease"

the impeccable logic of the Bill Of Right crowd

[Euromutt]

34. Well, in fairness, there aren't a lot of mass shootings in Israel

To name the one place where large numbers of people did use to pack an Uzi in public (though I'd be hesitant to say how widespread the Uzi is in Israel these days, since the IDF phased out the Uzi seven years ago in favor of M4-type carbines). One of the reasons the various Palestinian terrorist organizations adopted the Semtex vest-wearing suicide bomber as their primary weapon was because attempted mass shootings in public places were getting cut short by return fire from Israeli civilians and military reservists.

So having large numbers of private citizens carrying does have some effect, and as has been pointed out ad nauseam, mass shooters (i.e. people who commit multiple homicides in a single location, as opposed to spree shooters) do have a pronounced tendency to pick locations where private citizens are by and large prohibited from carrying, such as college/university campuses, shopping malls, post offices, the states of California, Illinois and New York...

[PavePusher]

49. Cite? Quote? Anything? n/t

[benEzra]

54. Thanks, guess I'll add another dollar...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/benEzra/113

[SteveM]

70. Who said this? You? Obviously, an irresponsible position. nt

[PavePusher]

48. Are your Strawmen(tm) factory mass-produced...

or one-off custom jobs?

Either way, you quality control sucks...

[SteveM]

69. I don't think anyone but you think the Second was on the minds of killers...

but you knew that.

[slackmaster]

6. It will turn out to be "random" gang violence perpetrated by someone with a criminal record

It's a pretty safe bet.

[depakid]

9. Looks more like untreated mental illness at this stage

[Name removed]

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[Pavulon]

12. Mmm. micro brew beer. so tasty. However if I get in my 2500 diesel surburban

after 6 and kill you while you sit at a stop sign, how it that different? Just deal, this issue is done. I can choose to drink responsibly. I can choose to own a gun responsibly. You get it?

Banning morons tried booze, it failed. They are trying drugs, and fucking it up. You really want to try a ban on something with 2 supreme court cases backing it.

[Missy Vixen]

31. Oh, boy

How did I know you'd be in this thread in seconds? After all, you must defend your deadly little hobby.

>I can choose to own a gun responsibly. You get it?<

You sure don't. The family whose grandmother opened fire on them last week in Seattle "owned guns responsibly", till a mentally ill person managed to get her hands on one, didn't they? Doesn't make the people any less dead. I guess we should all just be thankful that she didn't manage to get outside and start shooting others, too.

I wonder how many who indulge in spree shootings are mentally ill. It's the gun lobby and NRA's dirty little secret, isn't it?

There is something sick and sad about anyone who cannot admit that there are people in this nation that should not have access to firearms. Then again, you sure as hell wouldn't have anything to talk about, would you?

:eyes:

[Pavulon]

39. NO its the lazy people in office in general..

not one side or the other will address ROOT cause. Nor will you.

Gun death in the US is 50% suicide, no one brings up mental health care for people. 72 hour hold and on you way if you cant afford it.

Drug crime is also a major driver. No one gives a shit about the black and latino kids killing each other over drug money.

So it is easier to say "look poor person and anyone else we can bamboozle, we banned guns", see how much we did.

You people will never address telluride co or Greenwich ct and come to terms with the real things that need to be done.

It is far easier to pass a law that does NOTHING than address root cause.

Its not a gun debate, pushing that angle of this social problem is a very ignorant thing to do.

[PavePusher]

50. Make up your mind.

Is it a gun problem or a mental health care problem?

[SteveM]

71. Always quick when we see heiffer dust...

"I wonder how many who indulge in spree shootings are mentally ill. It's the gun lobby and NRA's dirty little secret, isn't it?"

Well, you sound rather secretive yourself: In your "wonderings" do you have any idea? If someone is adjudicated mentally incompetent, then they cannot legally own a firearm. You know that. But you have your own agenda, right? Is it prohibition? Is it continuing with a lost culture war, no matter the consequences? Let us know; you won't out-compassion others, here.

"There is something sick and sad about anyone who cannot admit that there are people in this nation that should not have access to firearms."

Perhaps there is greater sickness and melancholy among those who pose straw men, then shoot them down. Point to ANYONE, here or in a source you can cite, who fits your concocted logic.

Admit it: you have a great animosity for those who advocate for the Second Amendment, and you have a grinding rage that they have a presence on Democratic Underground.

[Euromutt]

43. What an interesting world of perceived conspiracies you live in

"The gun fetishists <... will> get this moved to the Gungeon"?

Yeah, right, the pro-RKBA posters on DU have an inordinate amount of influence over the mods, and whenever a gun-related topic crops up outside the Guns forum, the "gun fetishists" pull the mods' strings to have them move the topic to the hidden depths of the Gungeon, lest any rational person ever lay eyes upon it.

You don't think that maybe, just maybe, gun-related threads get shunted to the Gungeon because the mods don't want the usual argument back and forth cluttering up the regular forums, and that the reason threads tend to die in the Gungeon is because nobody who frequents the regular forums is willing to pursue the subject because the Gungeoneers have a reputation for dismembering all the standard anti-RKBA arguments in short order, to the extent that most gun control advocates are simply afraid to set foot in here?

I'll say one thing, which is that if the Gungeoneers had such an inordinate amount of influence over the mods, we wouldn't have had quite so many threads locked for utterly chickenshit reasons as we have the past few weeks, not to mention the mods' failure to actually enforce the rules with regard to anti-RKBA posters. Yeah, you can't say "gun nut" in those exact words, but you can say words that amount to the same thing ("gun pusher," "gun fetishist") with no ill effect.

[SteveM]

72. Sliced and diced nicely. nt

[cleanhippie]

46. WHat is a "gun fetishist"?

[shadowrider]

55. A forum acceptable insult for "gun nuts" n/t

[Euromutt]

41. And there you touch on an actual problem

American firearms law, in particular the Gun Control Act of 1968, contains provisions prohibiting those adjudicated as mentally ill from possessing firearms. The problem is that the way in which mental illness is treated in the United States has changed greatly since 1968, and the firearms laws have not been amended to reflect this. Under the GCA, the standard for being prohibited from possessing a firearm is involuntary commitment, but these days, it is next to impossible to get someone involuntarily committed unless and until (s)he hurts someone, and all too often, the commitment will be to a penal facility rather than a mental health facility (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=410).

So while everyone can agree in principle that those mentally unfit to possess a firearm should be legally prohibited from doing so, the standards whereby we judge someone to be mentally unfit are hopeless outdated, and thus in dire need of revision. But it does need to occur in a fair manner; there are a great many mental patients who, while subject to mental disorders, do not form a hazard to their nearest and dearest, let alone the general public, at all, and of those who might present a hazard, most are manageable provided they stick to their treatment. The problem is that mental patients are particularly difficult to coerce into adhering to their treatment.

[Blandocyte]

11. Guns! Guns! Guns! We need more guns!

Like we need a hole in the head. Er, wait...

[Pavulon]

13. beer beer beer, i need to get one more. The stack of flesh for you to opine on

is much higher with the beer I am getting from the fridge.

[Blandocyte]

14. I'm sure you won't shoot anyone with that beer can

Have all you want.

[Pavulon]

15. Your brains leak out like tooth paste

from a round crossing your brain or from being hit passenger side door by a drunk. I can get drunk and kill a family of 4 in a split second.

The halo test is important. Your CSF is fucked either way, leaks out your ears. The goo is the same color, your family cries just as much. You pay the funeral home the same.

2500 diesel suburban or 9mm, you die the same way. Lots more dead from booze.

[divideandconquer]

17. Drunk driving has been cut down by stiffer regulations

The same can happen with guns, you know like Australia and the EU do it!

[Pavulon]

19. Like the swiss or fins.. sure. your done. Murder is illegal

there are 2 supreme cases backing my right to responsibly own. You are not in OZ. How about a deal, when you get a weed ban going and I can no longer get a hooker to drop by with weed, an 8 ball, and of course poon for sale, I will donate my guns to your cause.

Past idiots tried prohibition, it failed. My wife works the ER, far more booze bodies for you to stand on and profess prohibition. FAR MORE.

[divideandconquer]

25. Just one Supreme Court justice away from civilization

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[ManiacJoe]

60. Which decision are you referring to?

[safeinOhio]

21. come to think of it, you make a great point.

Many new laws on making vehicles safer. New laws making drunk driving more expensive and don't forget the "check lanes" as random searches for drinking drivers. Laws going after bars where the drunks were served. Seems the governments proactive approach to drunk driving has cut the number of auto deaths to the lowest in 60 years.

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[friendly_iconoclast]

67. "New York City is a beacon of hope for lowering murder through tough gun laws"

Oops:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x342858

[Blandocyte]

18. You could get drunk then

drive your SUV into a family of 4, then hop out and shoot bystanders. The bystanders will be understandably saddened, but cheer them up by telling them you could have hit them with the SUV.

[Pavulon]

20. Ban Diesel and other stuff, Peroxide,

all kinds of stuff kills people. Booze kills many more than guns.

How about you actually speak to root cause. You people never do, drug law, mental health care.

Its easier to bullshit people with gun control. Hard to fix real issue. you know why this does not happen in Switzerland.

More suicides in japan than Switzerland, with no guns in japan.

[safeinOhio]

22. Switzerland is a great example

Many restrictive laws like registration of all firearms, laws on keeping guns stored in the home under lock and key, very hard to get a CCW.

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[TheMadMonk]

27. And that is the problem with America.

Cars, motorcycles, guns, tearing the fuck out of the wilderness on ATVs, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

The rapacious behaviour of American business is not anomalous. It's a direct outcome of the American way of life.

You want what you want, you take what you want and damage is never your fault. You are always the responsible ones, it's always someone else, someone atypical who should not be held up as an argument for regulation or restriction. Afterall responsible people don't need rules and regulation, they do the right thing automatically. Thus rules and regulations are superfluous for you and wrong doers will ignore rules and regulation so of course logically there is no need at all for the rules and regulation which will only ever serve to make the responsible jump through pointless hoops.

The truly frightening thing? Watching "typical" American gun owners on video, it is plainly obvious that a huge proportion would not qualify for gun ownership in virtually any other civilised nation on the planet.

[Pavulon]

37. Ever been to Canada? Same gun laws, small violent crime rate

wonder why.

You guys never bother to understand before you comment. There are tens of thousands of laws on firearms. Plenty, and still people kill each other.

People kill each other in germany and the UK as well.

The ONLY people who follow regulations are people like me. The guy who shoots you in the face for crack money does not.

So we should ban all that rapacious stuff too?

[provis99]

57. Canada bans handguns.

[Pavulon]

59. Negative. I fired a Sig P226R belonging to a canadian man

the only difference was the barrel was slightly longer to meet criteria. PAL is stupid an typical colony law.

There is no ban in canada.

[Euromutt]

45. Ninja please; what makes you think the inhabitants of other countries are any different?

For the record, I'm a citizen of the Netherlands by birth, and a citizen of the US by naturalization. In case you haven't been following the news, four months after the most recent general elections in the (supposedly oh-so liberal) Netherlands, a minority coalition government has finally been formed incorporating the Partij van de Vrijheid ("Freedom Party") led by Geert Wilders. whose platform is essentially a populist one of providing government services (no matter the cost) to "native" Dutch people while discriminating on all fronts against anyone who has immigrated, or is descended from people who immigrated, from any country in which Islam is a major religion in the past 50 years.

I'd have significantly less of a problem with Wilders if he applied the complaints he levels at Islam at every other religion. For example, his complaint that the Qu'ran is "a fascist book" would be significantly more credible if he leveled the same argument against the Bible (particularly the Old Testament and the Pauline Epistles). His complaints about the treatment of women in Islamic societies would be significantly more credible if he applied those same standards to the hardline Calvinist parties in Dutch politics, some of which prohibit their women to vote, but hypocritically allow them to sign their votes over to their husbands.

The fact is that every western society that worries about Islamist extremism on the part of their immigrant population generally fails to notice that theu are clutching a very similar asp to their breast, in the form of Christian fundamentalists. But in that regard, most of western Europe is little different from the United States; the attitude towards second and third-generation immigrants very strongly resembles the Jim Crow mentality, along the lines of "we brought them here to perform menial labor, how dare they decide to claim the right to stay here and claim the vote and pretend they';re equal to white folks and shit?" At the same time, the core members of the EU are experiencing the same sensation of the north-eastern states during the heyday of Ellis Island in that they're suddenly awash with eastern Europeans, and they have mixed feelings about having them around too (certainly, anyone who needs a plumber is happy there's a Pole prepared to do as good a job at a fraction of the price).

The 20th century member states of the EU are arguably currently in a position with regard to the influx of ethnic minorities as the United States was in the late 19th/early 20th century, and unsurprisingly, they're reacting in much the same way.

[SteveM]

76. Well, just dump the whole kitchen sink next time...

You have a gripe about wars, foreign policy, ATVs "tearing the fuck out of wilderness," the whole damned American way of life.
Jeeze, Louise. Have you found your favorite punching bag in the guns forum?

"You want what you want, you take what you want..." Who is 'you'? Do you include yourself in the "American way of life," or are you from another country, looking in? If you are a citizen of the U.S., and are bemoaning the condition of our country, have you now distilled your hatred and slung it like acid into the faces of 80,000,000+ gun-owners? Please clarify.

As for responsibility, you might try some of that yourself, and recognize that "rules and regulation" (already with us) must be directed to lessening the effects of a defined social problem, with verifiable cause & effect, and must be CONSTITUTIONAL.

Your watching of 'typical' American gun owners on some video is a pretty poor substitute to sound thinking, but that's alright; we're quite used to seeing that from gun-controllers/culture warriors in this forum.

[safeinOhio]

28. Sorry for your anger.

Not a good trait for a gun rights promoter. You brought up Switzerland and then go off on a nut because I agree with your example.:wtf:

[Pavulon]

38. I'll repeat, work on reversing brown vs board or roe v wade.

both are court cases, both uphold rights. Working on things that restrict basic rights is not progressive.

You can still get a sign and go protest. Just dont revert to pipe bombs when the rest of us pass you by and label you fringe.

[depakid]

29. LOL- Courts change reverse and refine decisions over time

This wrongly decide case is one of those that I guarantee the court will revisit once the far right extremists are in a substantial minority.

Meanwhile, tic tock til the next mass shooting.

Eventually, even in America, enough will be enough.

[Pavulon]

40. Wake me up when they reverse roe or brown vs board(nt)

[beevul]

62. "This wrongly decide case"

"This wrongly decide case"


Wrongly decided?


The court interpreted what the preamble to the bill of rights plainly and unequivocally describes as a restriction on governmental power...as a restriction on governmental power.


Thats all fact, friend.

Oh, I get you disagree with it.


That, however, doesn't make it wrongly decided.


It just means you disagree.


The courts ruling meshes EXACTLY with the preamble to the bill of rights.

[SteveM]

77. "...tic tock til the next mass shooting." Licking your lips, eh?

[divideandconquer]

26. Every nation worth a damn has far stronger gun laws than third world America

[ManiacJoe]

30. That may be true, but

those stronger gun laws are not contributing positively in the "worth a damn" equation.

Before you start disarming the Good Guys, lets see your plan for disarming the Bad Guys first.

[shadowrider]

33. Yet you choose to live here rather than a gun-free paradise like Nigeria n/t

[Pavulon]

36. The stop talking and get some laws passed. Wait, no one will even entertain

that aspect. Because there are two supreme court cases backing my position. There is the reality that the alternative fails.

See S Chicago, guns are banned, and still it is shitty.

[Euromutt]

47. So do a lot countries worth less than a damn

Let's run down the world's ultimate shitholes... North Korea, Burma, Zimbabwe, Jamaica, all have much more stringent firearms laws than the U.S. They do have stringent gun laws for the same reason almost all those countries "worth a damn" do, though, namely to prevent a violent overthrow of a government in spite of its lack of legitimacy.

[spin]

61. I agree that we are going downhill ...

but we rose to prominence in the world with the Second Amendment in our Constitution.

Yes we are different than most nations and that may be our strength. I think that the first two Amendments in the Bill of Rights make the big difference.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


We have often went through difficult times in our past and survived. I predict that we will do so again. It may involve taking on the corporate interests that have bought and paid for the politicians we have elected. It definitely will involve improving our educational system and creating good meaningful jobs for OUR citizens. It may involve bringing many of the jobs we have foolishly outsourced back to our country.

Our strength is in our freedom and the most obvious example of that freedom is the fact that our county allows and trusts honest citizens to own firearms.

[slackmaster]

63. Feel free to choose one and move there

:hi:

[SteveM]

78. Lotta 3rd World nations have strong gun laws. But you knew that.

[SteveM]

75. Switzerland is a different country, I'm told...

In the U.S. registration would only give authorities advanced knowledge of who has guns -- who could then act accordingly.

For the life of me, I cannot understand how gun registration and/or the "hardness" of getting a CCW would help lower crime rates. I certainly have not seen any meaningful data which would suggest this, only conjecture.

[SteveM]

74. Are you waiting for the next schoolyard spectacular?...

Anxiously? With glee in your heart? Sounds like it to me.

[Missy Vixen]

32. Perhaps you should cut down on the beer

It affects your critical thinking skills.

Drunk driving is a criminal activity and harshly punished. It's possible to shoot someone else in the face and walk away. Just ask Dick Cheney.

It's comical that you refuse to talk about the dead due to spree shootings. Then again, you might have to admit that you don't give a shit about any of them. You just caress your gun one more time. After all, it's the only thing that's important or meaningful in your life, isn't it?

[Pavulon]

35. No, I actually am happy to talk about it. Its a real shame. Just like DWI death

however when you get around to banning beer because of DWI death move on to guns.

Both are political suicide.

Edit: from the mouth of a ADA in NC. To get away with murder in NC you just have to use the right weapon. A car.

I will do shit for jail time if I drive into you drunk and kill you dead. In my mind thats murder. I may do one year.

If I shoot you with a rifle randomly in a spree I will do life.

HMM. now how is that under control.

We all make choices.

[PavePusher]

51. You do not seem to understand the difference in accidents, self-defense and murder.

"It's possible to shoot someone else in the face and walk away. Just ask Dick Cheney."

No malicious intent or criminal negligence was found, however much you may hate the man. If you have evidence to the contrary, everyone would like to see it. Otherwise you are manufacturing Strawmen.

[freebrew]

53. That's bull.

Cheney had admitted to drinking before going out with a gun.
In most states that's illegal. If you shoot someone while doing something illegal, that's a felony in most places.

No malicious intent required if you're under the influence.

[shadowrider]

56. Can you site a source for that? Or is it something someone said, someone said, someone said

That you heard?

[PavePusher]

66. As I recall...

The wounded man had also wandered out in front of the shooting group.

As for Cheney, was he actually (legally) impaired? Many states use a similar BAC as that for impaired driving.

[SteveM]

79. More animosity and very poor thinking...

"It's possible to shoot someone else in the face and walk away. Just ask Dick Cheney."

Listen hard: Cheney and his companions were hunting, a sport known for some inherent risk. One does not get thrown in jail for being stupid. Your equation of Cheney's "Elmer Award" with pedestrian killings is laughable. You know quite well (even though your "critical think skills" have been overcome by meanness) that people who shoot each other are quite subject to the law; "just ask" any of the thousands of felons sitting in maximum security facilities.

"Talk about the dead due to spree shootings?" What have YOU said other than express your hostile prejudices? Do "YOU give a shit," or are these sprees just another opportunity to parade about your passion?

Sounds like YOU need a caress. Try it, you might like it.

[SteveM]

73. Another stage-scream in the night. Cancelled the first night. nt

[Dappleganger]

64. This man was mentally ill.

You can blame the guns all you want but there are millions of people who are running around without any mental health care and THAT is a major cause of incidents such as this.

[lawodevolution]

65. in Japan this would be 3 suicides

joking

[SteveM]

81. Damn. Out on the Hawthorne Road...

The inner streets are part of the black "quarters" of Gainesville, but the locales further out could be working-class white. Pretty sad. When I visit "home," I never pass up going to Newnan's Lake on the far edge. Visit that lake (free fishing, free boat launch) and its wonderful moss-draped trees 2 miles distant, and you realize why people move to Florida, especially this area.