Whoops, they did it again. ( I must be shopping at the wrong gun shops)

[RSillsbee]

According to this msnbc news story aired tonight the Mexican drug war is being fueled by .50 caliber machine guns readily available over the counter in American gun stores.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=39712020�

Apparently, I'm shopping at the wrong stores

[madmax]

1. Furniture store closed in town

New shop will be GUNS. Yeah, we need more - we already have a Pawn & Gun store and just a gun store, so stands to reason we need another one.

[RSillsbee]

2. Can you buy a .50 caliber machine gun in either store?

The point of this thread is that the (anti gun) media blatantly lied in their story.

[madmax]

6. I don't know because I've never been in a gun store.

The closest I've been to a gun was when a guy stuck one in my ribs and robbed me of my wedding ring. I'm grateful I gave it up and he didn't shoot.

Sorry I went off the point of your post. :hi: Had a rough day and I'm on my second Corona ;)

[RSillsbee]

7. Enjoy your beer EOM

[jeepnstein]

17. You can at the one I use.

They are a Class III dealer and can get you about anything you want if you do the proper paperwork and have tons of money. NFA regulations pretty much keep out the riff raff.

There are people in this country who would rely on fanning the flames of hysteria and ignorance to further their goal of taking away my Constitutional Rights. That article was a good example of that.

[NewMoonTherian]

32. In your entire town...

you only have one gun shop and a pawn & gun? Where are you from? How large is your town? It's an interesting cultural divide. Just in east Tulsa, there are at least four just-gun stores, a couple hunting supply stores, and almost every pawn shop(except this one weird chain, EZ-Pawn) deals with guns. Add Walmart and general sporting goods stores, and you're seldom more than five minutes away from a licensed gun dealer.

[petronius]

3. Maybe you're just not noticing. At the store here they keep them way in the back,

behind the rocket launchers...

[RSillsbee]

4. Right next to the Claymores? EOM

[X_Digger]

5. OMFG, I thought you were paraphrasing, but no! Literally!

*headdesk* What a bunch of morons.

[Callisto32]

44. Beating your head on the desk:

The natural reaction to following a link to MSNBC.....

[X_Digger]

45. Well, at least when they talk anything about guns..

.. or when Joe Scab, Andrea Mitchell, or Contessa Brewer (sp?) is on.

[Callisto32]

46. I consider MSNBC to be the opposite side of the Fox coin.

I try to avoid both as much as I can.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

8. Oh hell, how much and where?

AK's? MP5's? I can buy these legally? Where? 50 cal? The only 50 cal stuff I have is flintlock. That is in flintlock circa 1770. I'm talking Revolutionary war here. Do the tea baggers really think I threaten their liberty with a 50 cal, muzzle loading flintlock from the turn of the last century?

Pathetic!

[jazzhound]

9. The local NBC affiliate ran the same story just over 20

minutes ago -- word for word, video shot for shot --- with the local anchor reading Engel's script. Pathetic.

No wonder U.S. citizens are so hopelessly ignorant of the facts, and why insane gun "control" legislation gets passed.

[ManiacJoe]

10. It is a shame what passes for reporting these days.

It is obvious that fact checking no longer happens.

[RSillsbee]

16. This has been refuted enough times

That they couldn't not know it wasn't true

Typo

[SteveM]

22. They know full well. This is intentional MSM policy. Gun-control is alive & well at MSM.

[old mark]

11. Try the ones with the tanks parked out back....It's just more anti-gun ignorance...nt

[shadowrider]

12. At the gun store I go to you have your choice of Shermans or M1 Abrams

.50 machine gun is optional.

[old mark]

13. Go with the Abrams, dude - Much better than anything else - the Sherman is a real

antique, though, if you are into that...


mark

[shadowrider]

14. Not a bad idea. I think I'll wait for dealer incentives before I buy

Like air-conditioning at no extra charge, free fuel for a year, $5000 cash back and all the shells I can handle.

[old mark]

20. If you get free fuel for an Abrams for a year, jump on it - them turbines

suck it down over 40 MPH...


mark

[Remmah2]

21. Sherman's have good fuel economy.

Insurance rates for collision are lower too.

[pipoman]

15. The link is no good..

Why is it always the sites with no story feedback which are the most blatant liars..

[slackmaster]

18. The link presently goes to a piece about gay teens being bullied, but it's easy to find the one...

...about Mexican drug war violence.

Look at the thumbnails just to the left of the main screen. Scroll down until you see some solders and a title that makes sense.

The OP is perfectly correct. The piece literally makes reference to 50-caliber machine guns being available "over the counter" in the US. And pipoman is correct that there is no straightforward way to provide feedback.

It's really appalling, but people who are too lazy to try to figure out where the content on a very active news site has rolled to are probably too lazy to care about the quality of journalism, much less comment on it.

(P.S. I don't mean to impugn pipoman, just pointing out how to find the content.)

[ManiacJoe]

19. Updated link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/39712020#39712020

[bvar22]

23. Hey!! I want one of those.

Never know when it might come in handy,
but my wife doesn't see the common sense of having 50cal Machine Gun. :shrug:

Just wait until a comet passes close by the earth,
and the recently dead awaken,
and we are attacked by the Zombie Hordes....
THEN she'll be sorry!
and I'll be all like, "Told You, but you wouldn't listen"...

[Caliman73]

24. Although there is no doubt that they are effective

The rounds cost something like a dollar each minimum and at the rate the M2 spits them out, you are looking at a lot of cash where a dirt cheap 7.62 x 39 round would suffice. Its really a long range sniper round or an anti-material round. If the zombies start driving around in trucks you can crack the engine block.

[bvar22]

25. There is THAT!

:hi:
We are gun owners, and regular shooters.
Everyone is around here (Ouachita Mountains, Arkansas).
Every home/cabin has at least a shotgun, a deer rifle, a .22, and a hand gun...minimum.
They are necessary tools.
We protect ourselves, our pets, stock, and produce gardens from varmints and predators.

I really would love to spend about 5 minutes with a .50 MG.
That would be fun,
but don't need one to handle the occasional rabid skunk, coon in the chicken coop, or coyote...
that is unless the truck driving Zombies attack. :scared:

[oneshooter]

26. Ah... isn't that a little bit of overkill?

"Every home/cabin has at least a shotgun, a deer rifle, a .22, and a hand gun...minimum.
I mean that the 22 IS the deer rifle, isn't it?

A full auto .50 cal would make a nice companion piece for my AR-50 bolt gun.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[bvar22]

28. No.

The .22 is for small varmints, and the tool we use the most often for protecting our pets, chickens and gardens. We prefer to use Live Traps and relocate, but sometimes that is not possible.


The 30-30 is for deer/larger game, and for letting visitors target shoot out in back of the cabin.
THAT is a "neighborly" thing to do, and wins respect and approval from some of the people who have lived out here for generations. It is a gesture of friendship and ritual bonding among males. It is also a test. If you are visiting up here with the locals, and someone offers to let you shoot their Deer Rifle, do NOT turn it down. You WILL be judged on how you handle this rifle. Be respectful, safe, humble, complimentary, and thankful.

I don't deer hunt because we currently don't need the meat, and I feel no need to kill one of these lovely animals. They ARE a nuisance pest (eat the apples and peaches off our trees, gobble up roses and other flowers) and they are overpopulated, but they ARE beautiful. We currently run them out of the yard with air horns, but it is always good to have the skills, and a comfortable relationship with the tool if using it becomes necessary.

The 12ga is for birds and general purpose depending on the intended use.
We keep everything from Bear Balls (Deer Slugs) to 7-1/2 on hand.
A skunk (coon/possum/coyote/ feral dog/cat) behaving strangely in broad daylight needs to be put down quickly with no mistakes.
The 12ga with either 00 or #4 is what we usually use for this if within 50 yards.
....No mistakes.

The Hand Gun (.357) is for hiking in Bear Country (Lots of Black Bears in the Ouachita Mtns, Arkansas),
and making a lot of noise when I feel like it.
Going into Bear Country without at least a magnum handgun is not smart.
No matter WHAT others may say, bears DO eat people, and then shit out the little bells.

I would like to have one more handgun (22 pistol) to use INSIDE the chicken coop.
We lock our chickens up in a Fort Knox coop at sunset, but a couple of times possums/coon have been waiting inside BEFORE full dark. They won't come out just by asking nicely.
The only way (safe for us and our chickens) is to shoot them.
The long barrels are way too awkward in that confined space, and the .357 is overkill.

One time a skunk ran into the coop just as I was going to lock it up at sunset.
THAT was a nightmare. I used the 12 ga inside the coop because I didn't want the skunk to have the chance to spray. The chickens were really upset for days, and my ears are still ringing.
The skunk was killed instantly, but that spot stunk for a month.

Different tools for different purposes.
To me, 4 seems to be the absolute minimum.

[PavePusher]

29. I'm not aware of any jurisdiction...

that allows deer hunting with a .22. You could accomplish it, with very good shot placement, but you'd probably have to follow the poor thing miles through the woods before it bleed out.

[RSillsbee]

27. What about truck driving rabid zombie skunks?

or your occasional revenooer?

[PavePusher]

30. IED's. Just sayin.... n/t

[Glassunion]

33. Depends on the situation...

Remember, we are talking zombies. So IED's might not do the trick. Sure you may get lucky and blow the shit out of a few, but the last thing you want to do is accidentally set a zombie on fire. It just pisses them off and they run around setting anything they get close to on fire.

My recommended zombie plan and load-out, remembering that body shots never seem to do the trick. Head-shots and decapitations are the way to go.

1. Remington .308 for anything above 400 meters or until I'm out of ammunition.
2. SCAR for anything from 25 to 400 meters or until I'm out of ammo.
3. Glock 34. I know it is a 9mm, but we are talking head-shots here, and I can follow up much faster with my 34 than I can with a 1911 .45. Not to mention that even with the 33 round mag it is still quite accurate(although effing heavy). This is for anything from 7 to 25 meters or until I have no more rounds.
4. A Benelli or Mossberg would be nice. This is for the up close and personal. I would be at about 7.25 on the sphincter pucker scale at this point.
5. A polearm(I don't have one yet), preferably a Monk's spade. Good for longer distance decapitations
6. A Machete. By this point I would be in some trouble, but still an effective weapon.
7. Trench knife(preferably one with a long skinny blade) for poking through skulls and scrambling brains. At this point I would be pissing myself.
8. My .38, 4 rounds for the zombies, last round is for me.

[shadowrider]

34. Ain't nothin like havin one of those "I'm fine" moments turn into "Oh Sh*t I'm in trouble"

in a hurry, huh.

[Glassunion]

35. Always better safe than sorry... And always remember the rules.

Cardio
Double tap
Beware of bathrooms
Wear seatbelts
Cast iron skillet
Travel light
Get a kickass partner
Bounty paper towels
Bowling Ball
(Don't) be a hero
Limber up
Avoid strip clubs
When in doubt, know your way out
The buddy system
Check the back seat
Enjoy the little things
Swiss army knife
Hygiene

and

Ziploc bags

[shadowrider]

36. Bowling ball? What're you gonna do, hope you roll a strike?

By the way, you earned a box of cracker jack for your post. Gave me a good chuckle.

[Glassunion]

38. Google: Zombieland Rules

[shadowrider]

39. I apologize for not keeping up with zombie rules, but, I was married for 26 years

and should have known better.

[Glassunion]

41. That's ok.

I've only been married for 4 years(I almost typed 3), and have not been in a movie theater in about 7 years.

A recent poll...
Best Place to Survive a Zombie Attack

Cemetery 3%
Boarded up house 1%
Mall 2%
Boat 21%
Underground military bunker with a mad scientist and a wannabe dictator 27%
WalMart 16%
Office tower 6%
Island 22%

[RSillsbee]

37. You forgot the towel

The universe is a much nicer place when you bring a towel

[Glassunion]

40. Yes indeed. All you ever needed to know about the towel.

http://www.towel.org.uk

[jazzhound]

42. Important information such as this, eloquently

laid out as this has been is exactly why I spend time in the Guns forum.

:applause:

[Glassunion]

43. Don't even get me started on my plan and load-out for

a giant horde of swarming, rabid, radioactively altered chipmunks.

I will say that a 6-iron and an industrial fan is involved.

[jazzhound]

31. Recall Wayne Lapierre's appearance on CNN wherein

he ripped them a new one for the bogus "assault weapons" story?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60aIaNZA0h8

CNN later admitted he was absolutely correct. But is this story enough to make the antis take a harder look at the media? Not on your life!

[SteveM]

47. MSM is STILL talking about whether or not an AK-47 is full-auto or not...

three weeks after the "fake" mass shooting at the U. of Texas (Austin) campus, with follow-up stories about the APD confirming that the weapon was not converted to full-auto. I should think so. Those types of weapons are almost always found on T.V.

[one-eyed fat man]

48. They are not alone!

On his website as a candidate, through the transition and which only quietly disappeared from whitehouse.gov a few months ago.

http://obama.3cdn.net/84b2062fc4a5114715_ftxamv9ot.pdf

"As a long-time resident and elected official of Chicago, Barack Obama has seen the impact of fully automatic weapons in the hands of criminals. Thus, Senator Obama supports making permanent the expired federal Assault Weapon Ban."

Read that again, "FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS in the hands of criminals" are a problem he proposes to solve by banning guns that are not fully automatic and not in the hands of criminals.

Again, how much more directly or more plainly can he say he wants to reinstate a ban on semiautomatic weapons by implying they are machine guns?

There can only be two explanations for making that statement. It was a deliberate attempt to deceive people who don't know the difference. Or he doesn't know the difference himself. Deceit or dumb-ass, take your pick!

That anyone who has always been anti-gun is totally ignorant of firearms technology is unremarkable. That they might make a technical mistake ONCE is excusable. After they have been shown the difference, they still persist in deliberately conflating machine guns with semi-autos they are just flat fucking liars!

[Katya Mullethov]

49. You wanna see where the rubber hits the road ?

Supposed to be a little over a 100 tons of weed there , going from one pocket into the other .

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tKX9guL7jhk/TL0_k4t-4LI/AAAAAAAABD4/d98Rzhpwyzk/s1600/tijuana+7.jpg

This was from this past weekend , harvest is in .