Carjacking suspect killed after shootout with victim on Detroit's West Side

[oneshooter]

DETROIT (WXYZ) - Police say a carjacking suspect was killed in a shootout with the would-be victim Tuesday night.

The attempted carjacking happened at the Citgo station near Fenkell and Schaefer on Detroit's West Side.

An owner of the Citgo station who witnessed the incident told Action News the carjacking suspect pulled a gun and shot the driver of a GMC Yukon outside the gas station.


More at:http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/detroit/carjacking-suspect-killed-after-shootout-with-victim-on-detroit%27s-west-side

Goblin down for good. Car owner survives, child safe.
Not a bad ending.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[TxVietVet]

1. Big f*cking deal.

[oneshooter]

4. I believe it was, to those involved. n/t

[spin]

6. +1,000,000 (n/t)

[proteus_lives]

16. Your point?

[oneshooter]

29. Is apparently covered by his hat. n/t

[sailor65]

2. I see the "Scumbag's rights" unrec squad is on duty....

A properly permitted citizen saves his kid's life....I can see the DU dilemma there.

I think I've actually been in that station recently.

[lawodevolution]

3. if someone tries to carjack me with my kid in the car

it will be a fight until one of us dies and I will do what it takes to win, unless the goblin decides to run away, I won't go after it.

[applegrove]

5. Don't you worry that if your kid reaches a rough patch and has a really bad three minutes that

he/she could just reach into your glove compartment (your kids will figure out where your gun is, get real) and kill themselves? Cause chances are that your gun will hurt your posse.

[lawodevolution]

8. nope

I practice gun safety. My gun never leaves my person and when it does it goes into a safe. Good try though.

[sailor65]

9. Properly trained carriers never leave guns in the glovebox

And neither did the guy in the story, he was wearing it, as is proper. Pretty feeble try on your part.

[Pavulon]

12. Maybe he will fall and stab his brain on the knobless gearshift

and be killed instantly...

[PavePusher]

13. What kind of idiot...

leaves a firearm in the glove box?

[applegrove]

15. A friend of a friend of my cousin did. I know, I know sounds distant but it is true. A canadian

businessman drove up to a sales meeting with his american counterpart and the american put his gun in the glove box. When the Canadian said "oh, ahhh" (out of shock for someone concealing and carrying a gun to a business meeting) the American said "don't worry, I still have a gun on my leg" and showed him the ancle strapped gun. LOL!

[AtheistCrusader]

20. That sounds like a really reliable source.

[PavePusher]

21. If I have to leave my sidearm in the car...

it goes in a locked metal case, cabled to the seat frame.

Not impervious, but sufficient to stop the casual smash-n-grab. I also will only park where I can see the vehicle for the duration. Short stops only.

[lawodevolution]

23. So you must support CHL laws

Because the only reason people used to leave their guns in the glove box was because they could not take them out of the car legally. But now with concealed carry this is not a problem.
Maybe you are a gun control supporter who would love for the gun accident rate to increase. You know, the ends justify the means. Or perhaps you like the side effect of CHL reducing the rate at which guns are left in the car to be stolen or found.

Do you support CHL laws, applegrove?

[applegrove]

25. I am for gun control of some form. I don't know what CHL is. Fortunately

I live in Canada and we just stopped the trashing of the long gun registery with the help of police chiefs from across the country.

[oneshooter]

26. A CHL is something you will probably never see.

Concealed
Handgun
License

A permit(license)to carry a concealed handgun on your person.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[oneshooter]

27. How many lives were saved using that registrey? n/t

[PavePusher]

28. "...with the help of police chiefs from across the country."

Yes, because your freedom and personal security is the foremost thought in their minds...

or something.

[Euromutt]

31. Did the American in question have a child?

Because there are certain practices that might indeed be unsafe if there were a child or teenager in the household, but are otherwise not an issue. I have a four year-old, so unless a firearm is on my person, I keep it in some kind of lockable container. I sure as hell wouldn't put a firearm in the glove box (not that I could if I wanted to, given the amount of stuff like cell phone chargers, ice scrapers, maps, etc. that's already in there); much like PavePusher, if I have to leave my carry weapon in the car, I put it in a PacSafe mesh bag (http://www.pacsafe.com/www/index.php?_room=3&_action=detail&id=18) with a cable lock that I secure to a metal loop in the floor, under the back seat.

[proteus_lives]

17. My dad kept a gun in the glove compartment.

I knew that from a young age.

I also knew where the firearms were kept in the house.

I went through plenty of "rough patches".

Same in millions of American households.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Careful, you'll strain something reaching like that.

[Taitertots]

33. Projection much?

"Cause chances are that your gun will hurt your posse"
Care to support your laughable assertion?

[SteveM]

34. Problems here...

No doubt all kids will have a "rough patch," but the "reality" is that responsible gun-owners will keep kids from having access to guns unless they are supervised and/or trained properly.

"Cause chances are that your gun will hurt your posse."

Do you have any proof, data that this is the case?

BTW, what do you mean by "posse?"

[TxVietVet]

7. The fascinating part of the conceal carry is

that there are many nutjobs out there with guns. Some have a gut full of drugs/booze and a head full of conservanazi bu$hit from druggie limpballs. Just go to ANY gun show, walk around, and see who is there.
It's not a cure all to end crime. I have nothing against weapons of any kind. AS a matter of fact, I've had to used them on a professional basis at one time. I have several guns in my home and will probably carry one on my next move to a new state.

It's not a solution to the problem as some would have the rest of the country believe.

[sailor65]

10. And you solution here would have been what, exactly?

If the attacker had gotten away with the vehicle the kid was as good as dead. Would you like to try to put some socio-economic spin on it that would result in any other outcome? Should we discuss why the poor monster became a monster? Maybe an Amber Alert to make everybody feel better?

[Katya Mullethov]

11. Do you hunt too ?

That would be super .

[PavePusher]

14. Actually, a firearm can be an excellent short-term solution to crime.

Long term, no. Well, except for the fact that if the crim ends up dead, that particular problem will never rear it's head again. Not generally effective in the larger picture though.

[proteus_lives]

18. Seems like it worked out here.

"that there are many nutjobs out there with guns."

And I should lose my rights because of that?

[slackmaster]

22. The purpose of concealed carry is not to end crime

It's for personal self-defense.

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. I see you're a member of the MGASIOPGTATP club:

"My guns are safe, it's other peoples' guns that are the problem."

I don't mean to be rude, but how are we supposed to know if you are playing with a full deck or not?

[Up Quark]

30. Some of them wear uniforms and badges, too...

shrug

[SteveM]

35. Umm, who is speaking of a "cure-all to end crime?"

That is a familiar straw man erected by gun-controllers in this forum; trouble is, they never cite who or what group advocates this "social policy." There are a few (Lott, among others), but you won't find this notion prevalent, here. The RKBA is a means of self-defense, not proven social-policy to "end crime."

"Nut cases," if they want guns, will get them. Prohibition will not stop them, anymore than it will stop them from getting a "...gut full of drugs/booze."

[spin]

38. The fascinating part of the concealed carry is that you are wrong ...

and I have 23 years worth of data to prove it!

Every month Florida publishes a "Monthly Summary Report" on the state's concealed weapons program.

In the time period from October 1, 1987 to September 30, 2010 Florida issued 1,858,018 concealed weapons permits and currently 761,706 are valid. A total of 5,821 licenses have been revoked for a number of different reasons the most common being a crime committed after the license was issued. That works out to be ONLY three tenths of one percent of the licenses issued. But even more revealing is that only 168 licenses have been revoked because of a crime committed using a firearm after the license was issued.

You comment that "there are many nut jobs out there with guns". This might be a possibility but to attempt to stereotype the subgroup of gun owners with concealed carry permits in that manner is uncalled for and unfair.

Concealed Carry Permit Holders More Lawful Than Most
...One study found that in Florida CCW holders were 300 times less likely than the general population to commit a crime. A Texas study found that CCW holders in that state were “5.7 times less likely to commit a violent crime, and 14 times less likely to commit a non-violent offense.”

There’s a simple reason CCW holders as a group are so law-abiding — they have to be law-abiding citizens in order to qualify for a permit in the first place. This is what you automatically know about a person who has a CCW in Tennessee:

* They’ve never been convicted of “any felony offense punishable for a term exceeding one (1) year”.
* They’ve never been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
* They’ve never been convicted of the offense of stalking.
* They were not under indictment at the time they applied for a CCW.
* They were not the subject of an order of protection at the time they applied for a CCW.
* They haven’t had a DUI in the past five years or two or more DUIs in the past 10 years
* They haven’t been under treatment for or hospitalized for addiction to drugs or alcohol in the past 10 years.
* They’ve never been adjudicated as mentally defective.
* They’ve never been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions (”dishonorable discharge, bad conduct discharge or other than honorable discharge Chapter 1340-2-5-.02 (5)”).
* They’ve never renounced their U.S. citizenship.
* They’ve never received social security disability benefits “by reason of alcohol dependence, drug dependence or mental disability.”
http://www.lesjones.com/2007/05/09/concealed-carry-permit-holders-more-lawful-than-most/

[Euromutt]

32. While I would like to say this was an unfortunate outcome...

...the fact that the would-be carjacker was evidently more than prepared to murder the car's owner for the vehicle makes me less than remorseful about his demise.

There have been incidents in which a stolen car which (presumably unbeknownst to the thief) turned out to contain a child, prompting the thief to rapidly abandon the vehicle (and often make a 911 call informing the authorities of the child's whereabouts) out of fear of becoming the target of a kidnapping investigation, but when you're already prepared to commit first-degree murder...

[lawodevolution]

36. Most likely he would do what he wants with the kid

[oneshooter]

37. Many will let the child out, to avoid kidnapping charges. n/t

[Glassunion]

39. And that is the problem. Scary thought.

Most likely HE would do what HE wants with the kid.