Guns as a solution to...?? (Does he get a point or two?)

[mvccd1000]

From NBC Connecticut:
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local-beat/Domestic-Incident-Ends-Deadly-When-A-Father-Shoots-His-Son-111345669.html

According to Police, 24-year-old David Gemeasky Jr. came into the bedroom of his parents, 44-year-old Tamara Brennan and 45-year-old David Gemeasky Sr. and stabbed his father while he was in bed. He then stabbed his mother as she was trying to escape the attack.

Gemeasky Sr. was able to retrieve his shotgun and shoot his son.

When officers arrived they located Brennan and Gemeasky Sr. both suffering from multiple stab wounds.

Since guns did not start this incident - in fact, from other news reports, the criminal had already had his guns confiscated - does that mean the stabbing victims get some points for defending themselves with a gun?

It gets old always reading "No Points" when someone defends him or herself with a gun. Maybe this one will result in a point being awarded.

[CBGLuthier]

1. Because someone else's tragedy is a good opportunity to make points

That, that is what truly gets fucking old. The constant bending of tragedy to agenda.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. +1

please. stop keeping score.

[pipoman]

4. This is in response to one particular poster

who constantly, and in nearly every thread posts his own twisted point count...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=349982&mesg_id=349985

[Tuesday Afternoon]

6. yes, I know.

[Hoyt]

3. Sounds like they should have imprisoned Gemeasky Jr. for gun crimes earlier.

Anyone who is caught with armour-piercing ammunition and such is a threat to society and their family. If the nut had been imprisoned -- and received a proper mental assessment -- this whole incident might not have happened.

Wouldn't be surprised that Junior had a permit to walk around in public with some of his guns too (before he was arrested).

[PavePusher]

5. Urr? Where did "armour-piercing ammunition" come in to this from?

And what, specifically makes any ammo "armour-piercing"?

[cleanhippie]

7. Well, then I guess we should all be glad you are not making those decisions then.

I do not want to live in your authoritarian world. No sir, no way.

[X_Digger]

8. No, you wouldn't be surprised, given your obvious bias.

However, the reality is that those who go to the trouble to get a permit tend to be rather law abiding. Much more so than the general public, in fact.

This graph compares the conviction rate of CHL holders in Texas to the general public (21+ yoa). Each group is compared against itself to determine the rate.

[Hoyt]

13. Obviously, you don't know if Junior had a permit. He certainly had quite a weapons cache.

And until he was arrested -- and let go for some reason -- he would have been granted a permit.

[X_Digger]

17. There are all kinds of licenses he might have had until he was disqualified from having such.

Your point? Speculation that coincides with your bias is still speculation.

However, statistical reality doesn't tend to indicate that your speculation has any validity.

[Hoyt]

30. Exactly my point -- permits are granted to people who shouldn't own guns, much less

walk around with them in public.

Solution is simple -- stop progression of guns in public and sales of destructive devices which are not bought/made for rational security purposes.

[X_Digger]

31. I don't think you actually read or understood what I wrote.

Please try again.

[jazzhound]

9. Mustn't let *reality* interfere with your *bigotry*.

Wouldn't be surprised that Junior had a permit to walk around in public with some of his guns too (before he was arrested).

(Reality is presented in post #8.)

[oneshooter]

11. I have about 400rds of AP ammo.

Dated 1965 and in clips for my M1 Garands.

Is there a problem with that?

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hoyt]

12. It depends, 1shooter, whether you are trying to impress/intimidate someone with your pronouncement.

Why in heck would anyone need AP ammo?

Speaking of ammo, I still have well over 5000 45 ACP rounds from my dad (early 1960s). You think they are any good? I don't plan on toting them like you guys because I don't believe in public toting, I don't target shoot anymore, and actually like the feeling of strolling free of armaments, but I need to do something with them.

[friendly_iconoclast]

14. Backpedaling, eh? "Anyone who is caught with armour-piercing ammunition and such is a threat..."

Being that most center-file rifle ammunition larger than about 7mm/.270 caliber is what most would call 'armor piercing', you've just
stated that millions of quite law-abiding rifle owners are a threat.

And seeing that only 3% or so of firearms crimes involve rifles, I have to ask you a question:

Are all your posts that accurate?

[oneshooter]

16. This ammo is M2 AP. Will penetrate 1" of mild steel at 100yds

It is black tip, 168gr with a hardened penetrator. Got it in some ammo and stuff I bought at a estate sale.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Hoyt]

18. Sounds like it brings you great pleasure.

[cleanhippie]

20. So instead of acknowledging that your original premise has been refuted completely...

you engage in gratuitous insult. Stay classy, ok?

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[friendly_iconoclast]

22. The guns and ammo of Royalist gun controllers are *never* a problem.

It's the ones in the hands of other people that are problematic. Why is this so?

Well, the Royalists are just better than the likes of us- and we need to accept that.


(Is the sarcasm tag really necessary here?)

[Hoyt]

23. Don't shoot it. Used to be in my mom's attic, until she passed a few years ago.

Decided I shouldn't throw it in the dump, so I keep it in the attic. But, yes, if I begin walking around in public with it -- I have a problem and hope I'm institutionalized. Do you carry in public?

[cleanhippie]

24. But by the logic in all of your posts, simply POSSESSING such horrific weapons is lunacy.

Therefore we can conclude, by your own words, that you are a lunatic that needs to be locked up.

Your quote: "Anyone who is caught with armour-piercing ammunition and such is a threat to society and their family."

[Hoyt]

27. OK, If one has ammo in home, they are a "lunatic." Good reason not to carry in public.

[cleanhippie]

28. So you admit that you are a lunatic and need to be locked up?

How very enlightened of you. I will look forward to the news report about you turning yourself in.

Should I hold my breath waiting for you?


And seriously, if you really want to get rid of that .45 ACP, I will take it and I will pay for the shipping...

[RSillsbee]

25. He said he has 5000 rounds of .45 Automatic Colt Pistol ammo

He never said he had AP rounds

[cleanhippie]

26. Technically, it is armor piercing.

If the armor is weak enough, it will pierce it, instantly making it "armor piercing" ammo!

Ta-da!


I hope you see the point I am trying to make here...

[oneshooter]

15. Ship it to me. I shoot 50-100 rds of 45acp each week in practice. n/t

[spin]

32. The ammo you have should work fine depending on how it was stored ...

If it was subjected to extremes of heat or cold, it is probably unreliable. Also check for signs of corrosion,rusting etc. How hot did your mom's attic get?

Why do you oppose honest licensed citizens carrying concealed firearms? I get the feeling that you are arguing that if you have ammo stored in your house or you carry in public, you are some kind of lunatic. Surely you are jesting.

[SteveM]

29. I get at least one deer every year with "armor-piercing" ammunition...

If the standard is piercing armor, most standard deer rifle rounds fit the category. Do you have a point with regards so-called "armor-piercing" rounds?

[one-eyed fat man]

10. Nah,

He'd have already posted it as a "shooting."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=348477&mesg_id=348486

"Why is it being covered up that a gun was the means of committing this crime?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=330300&mesg_id=330300

"Spokane area shootings. The 2nd Amendment guarantees everyone the right to solve their problems by conveniently and efficiently inflicting death."

It might not be much of a hobby, but it IS his hobby!