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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:57 AM
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NRA's Latest Poster Boy Sounds Like School Shooter


"There is no redemption, There is no forgiveness. I will stare into your eyes as I pull the trigger and laugh as you hit the ground with your last, pathetic breath."

Reading the above quote, one might think they are preparing to read a blog about a school shooter. But the words above are those of James A. D'Cruz, an 18-year-old resident of Lubbock who is suing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and the state of Texas in federal court for the right to purchase a handgun from a federally licensed firearms dealer (FFL) and carry a loaded firearm when he leaves his home. D'Cruz says he wants a gun for protection when "shopping in certain parts of the city."

D'Cruz's co-plaintiff? The National Rifle Association (NRA). Chris Cox, executive director of the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, explains why the organization is challenging a 42-year-old federal law that bars handgun sales from a federally licensed dealer to those under the age of 21: "At 18 years of age, law-abiding citizens in this country are considered adults for almost all purposes and certainly for purposes of the exercise of fundamental constitutional rights." In a separate lawsuit, D'Cruz and the NRA are also targeting a 15-year-old Texas law that prohibits those under the age of 21 from carrying concealed weapons in public.

The NRA has assured the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas that "Mr. D'Cruz is a law-abiding, responsible citizen." D'Cruz's own writings, however, argue otherwise. Screen captures of his publicly accessible Facebook Wall during the period of December 2007 through November 2010 paint the portrait of a young man fascinated by death, violence, firearms, explosives, gangsters, and mass murder.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-horwitz/nras-poster-boy-sounds-li_b_793000.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 09:59 AM
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:00 AM
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2. Great! Psychopaths with concealed weapons....
"Judge, he looked at me funny, so I had to blow him away...."
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:40 AM
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7. Self-Delete
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 10:40 AM by slackmaster
I was mistaken.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:30 PM
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 04:52 PM
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26. I love it when people put something in quotes ...
... as if someone, beside the voices in their head, actually said it.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:03 AM
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3. Sick little bastard.
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:12 AM
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4. Guns from Texas contribute unconscionably to the Mexican bordertown massacres.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:46 AM
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9. That's what the Sec of State says
They are attempting to build a border fence out of corpses , ala "The 300" , and this is the best they can come up with . Its good to know whos side they are on . The side of the "sane" , the side those that exist on a higher plane , circling in the upper orbits of the oligarchy that will dutifully serve us till the last breath .

(lol)

my last breath
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:43 PM
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11. Not guns. Guns are not the problem in Mexico. It's the drug war that is the problem.
Guns were here before the violence got out of control. In fact after Mexico banned guns the violence increased there. The violence spiked when they started to crack down on the drug trade.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:55 PM
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23. You might want to ask...
Shares if he also supports drug prohibition; you know, a double-dose of phantasy phoreign policy.
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RSillsbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:22 PM
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15. Of course
I buy all my full auto weapons and RPGs in south Texas gunshops



( I Refuse to put a sarcasm tag here)
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:16 AM
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5. Ahh, Josh.. ad hominems, straw men, and tu quoque, it's what's for breakfast.
Only Josh could take the lack of additional regulation as 'expanding a loophole', when it's just the status quo.
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:17 AM
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6. Sounds more like the Poster Child for age restrictions on firearms. A child with a gun fetish.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 04:55 AM
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33. Nope, not a child. Legally an adult.
Plus, of course, what you're hearing is an highly tendentious version of what he's like.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 10:40 AM
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8. Let's play the context game!
Who said this?

"I mean it's not like I condone weapon violence of any kind."

"Son can you play me a memory? I'm not really sure how it goes.."

"Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today." -- James Dean

"The war isn't on the battlefield or with those that fight and die for the idea, but it lays in the minds and souls of the people who must accept the idea in order for it to become a standard." - Winston Churchill

Yeah, same kid.

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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:20 PM
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10. In opposing the suit, the Brady Center cited studies
"""showing that people under 21 often lack the same ability as adults to “govern impulsivity, judgment, planning for the future, and foresight of consequences.” People 18-20 have the highest rates of homicide and criminal gun possession.""""


Impulsive little bastards . They have piled on more than enough reasons to repeal the 26th ammendment while they are at it .

http://www.bradycampaign.org/ see : TEEN SUPPORTED
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:57 PM
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24. And remember: The Bradys are GOP-founded, GOP-led. nt
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 05:03 PM
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28. And younger voters often vote for Democrats. Very interesting. (n/t)
Edited on Tue Dec-07-10 05:03 PM by spin
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 06:19 PM
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29. And the 14th Amendment, for that matter
After all, from the statistics you can also derive that perpetrators of homicide are disproportionately likely to be black (to a comparable degree as 18-20 year-olds). By the Brady Campaign's logic (and I use the term very loosely), this justifies prohibiting blacks from being able to legally acquire firearms.

Of course, some people might frown on depriving an entire demographic of their freedoms on the basis of the behavior of 1/5000 of their number, but not the Brady Campaign!
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:41 PM
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31. They also seem to think there's a "niceness" clause somewhere in the Constitution.
Perhaps one of our fine resident gun control advocates could point it out to us, since I sure as hell can't find it anywhere...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 12:48 PM
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:01 PM
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13. Please provide evidence of your assertion of "terrorist organisation". n/t
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:21 PM
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14. Wow, so much stupid in so few words.
But at the rate you're going you probably won't be around long enough to learn that there is a large (and malevolently well informed) group of pro second amendment Dems here.

Are you assuming that with almost 4.5 million members that there are no progressive NRA members? Or just that no Dems own guns? Or that the NRA only supports GOP candidates?

Which particular brand of "ill informed" are you?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:22 PM
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19. Heh, we seem to have lost someone.
By the way: "malevolently well informed"? :rofl: :evilgrin:

Most excellent word choice.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:23 PM
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20. I'll second that...........

............as I plan to use the phrase when the next opportunity permits!! :)
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:43 PM
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21. Thanks
It's my counterpart to the "benevolently ignorant" gun control fans we have around these parts.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 05:01 PM
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27. Reminds me of the Don Kates phrase

respectable bigotry.

(Used to describe the attitude of faux-progressives who abhor racial, gender and all other forms of bigotry and wear their prejudice against gun owners as a badge of honor.)
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:58 PM
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25. That was pretty good. nt
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 01:30 PM
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16. I'm not an attorney, on TV or in real life
My application to law school was rejected upon discovery that my parents were in fact married at the time of my conception.

I'm a little confused why they are suing ATF since ATF is merely enforcing the law as passed by Congress. If the ATF were interpreting a vague and poorly worded law to conclude 18 year olds could not own guns, that would seem to give the suit standing.

However, an 18 year old can buy cigarettes, buy a house, enlist in the military, and once the Republicans get us into a war with North Korea and Iran 18 year olds will be drafted to serve in two more unjust wars.

The argument of allowing 18 year olds to own and carry guns is an interesting one.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 02:01 PM
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18. You can join the military when you are 18 ...
17 (with parental consent).

They will train you on how to shoot and send you to hell holes like Iraq and Afghanistan to apply the skills you have learned.

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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 03:52 PM
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22. And the culture war keeps on keeping on...
...right, onehandle?
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-10 11:36 PM
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30. Gun controllers *want* class distinctions amongst gun owners.
They don't want those that are too poor, too brown, or too politically unconnnected owning guns. The recent democratization
of gun ownership is a threat to them.

It would seem that they have added "too young" and "too tacky" to the ranks of 'those people'.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 01:14 AM
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32. I think that *those* jazz addicts are too weird to

own/carry firearms.

That's my position, and nothing you can say will change my mind, FI.

And don't bother me with any of your damn facts and reasoned arguments either.
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 10:20 AM
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34. You are right about those jazz fans!
Edited on Wed Dec-08-10 10:22 AM by one-eyed fat man


Along with the bodies of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker the stolen 1934 Ford Deluxe Sedan contained:

* Three 30-caliber Browning automatic rifles (BARs)
* One ten-gauge sawed-off shotgun
* One twenty-gauge sawed-off shotgun
* Six Colt 45-caliber automatic pistols
* One Colt 32-caliber automatic pistol
* One Colt 38-caliber revolver
* One Colt 45-caliber revolver
* 3000 rounds of ammunition
* The most heinous weapon of all: one saxophone!

:hide:
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-10 06:11 PM
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35. OEFM --- when you're right, you're RIGHT!!!

The man in my avatar punched out notes at the rate of an automatic rifle!!!

:D
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 04:35 PM
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36. ^ pernicious fantasy
Come down to Earth someday. People act more normal than you would expect.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 04:55 PM
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38. Exhibit 1.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/01/AR2009090103836.html

It took $833.69, a total of 15 hours 50 minutes, four trips to the Metropolitan Police Department, two background checks, a set of fingerprints, a five-hour class and a 20-question multiple-choice exam.


If that's not a class distinction, I don't know what is.

How many poor people do you know that could afford the upfront costs and the time off work to visit the police station four times?
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one-eyed fat man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:40 AM
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44. The WaPo reporter was on the clock.
He didn't have to take time off from work, he was doing it as research for the article he was writing. It WAS his work! He may even been able to put the fees on his expense account. (That thought should make a few heads on the editorial staff implode!)

How some elderly pensioners living in the Anacostia or Fort Dupont neighborhoods could swing that might be problematic. The police can't even protect the city buses in those areas! Why should decent people trapped there by economic circumstances be "allowed" to protect themselves?

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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:01 AM
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45. Or a single parent working two jobs..
The gun itself in the above story was $275.
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jazzhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 12:44 PM
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46. "How many poor people do you know that could afford

the upfront costs and the time off work to visit the police station four times?"

Those who favor gun "control" don't have any more knowledge about the devious tactics used to discourage people from exercising their self defense rights than they do about any other aspect of the gun "control"/gun rights issue.

They'd be screaming bloody murder if these same tactics were used to impede the practice of any other civil right.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 12:56 PM
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47. As we've seen, even from posters here, the end justifies any means to them..
From the above article:

Reluctantly, Mayor Adrian M. Fenty's administration set up a process through which about 550 residents -- now including yours truly -- have acquired a handgun. But as my four trips to the police department attest, D.C. officials haven't made it easy.

Which was exactly their intent. The day the Heller decision was announced, Council Chairman Vincent C. Gray (D) vowed that the city was still "going to have the strictest handgun laws the Constitution allows." Fenty decried the ruling, saying that "more handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence."


Fenty would never admit that there is not more handgun violence in DC, post Heller. That would give lie to his 'more gunz = more violence' bumper sticker thinking.
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 03:04 PM
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48. There's a word you should become familiar with. It's 'ahistorical'
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ahistorical

ahistorical
Definition from Wiktionary, the free dictionary
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Contents
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1.1 Etymology
1.2 Adjective
1.2.1 Translations

English Etymology a- +‎ historical

Adjective
ahistorical (comparative more ahistorical, superlative most ahistorical)

Lacking historical perspective or context.


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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 04:43 PM
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37. Most gun owners that I know are creeps
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 04:44 PM by Kolesar
They offer up untruthful anti-Obama opinions without having been asked*. They destroy property. Two of them killed my classmates. Two of them ambushed my neighbor and shot him; he was the local judge.

*There are three things you don't bring up if you want a conversation to remain polite: religion, sex, and politics.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 04:58 PM
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39. And "people I know" is representative of what?
Whose 'circle of friends' should act as the model for which set of regulations?
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:20 PM
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41. Yes!!!
The same thinking comes from Sarah Palin. She could not live any farther away from Mexico and still be in the United States, yet she thinks that building a wall between us and Mexico is a good idea. She must think the folks that live in states that actually border Mexico are uneducated fools.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:15 PM
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42. ?
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 09:27 PM
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43. You seem to be tarring a broad swath of people based on..
Edited on Thu Dec-09-10 09:29 PM by X_Digger
.. "most gun owners that I know".


As if that's representative of gun owners in general.

Do you judge other groups based on the individuals of that group that you know?



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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-10 05:16 PM
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40. I agree with your last statement. However,
The rest if find to be a bit anecdotal at best. But it would explain the broad brush you paint with.
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