Lack of gun registry 'annoying,' Daley says ...

[spin]

Police say mayor's plan should be up and running 'in the coming weeks'
10:17 p.m. CST, December 8, 2010



Mayor Richard Daley on Wednesday said that it's "annoying" that the Chicago Police Department has yet to set up a database to let police officers and firefighters know how many firearms are registered in each home in the city.

The registry was a key piece of Daley's new gun control platform after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the city's handgun ban in June. The mayor said it would help protect first responders by letting them know what kind of situation they might encounter when they responded to home calls.

"They should have it by now," Daley said. "I'll find out why they didn't do that."

The Police Department issued a statement that said gun-permit records are being entered and "will be complete in the coming weeks."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-city-council-meeting-20101208,0,4009278.story

Talk about being paranoid. This gun registry database will only list guns that honest citizens have registered. Criminals will definitely not register their illegal weapons. The first responders have little to fear from honest citizens.

In Florida and many other states, first responders do not have access to a database that shows firearms in each house they visit. They seem to have no major problems doing their job.

For example, a couple of years ago, a person who was rooming with us had a minor stroke. We called 911 the paramedics responded and our friend ended up airlifted to a hospital for treatment.

If there would have been a database of firearms in the home, it would have showed 40 to 50. (There were 4 adults in the home, all owned owned firearms.)

Would the EMTs hesitated to respond had they known?

[Goldstein1984]

1. People who commit crimes with firearms are not the kind of people

who will register the firearms they intend to use in crime.

Registration is a great way to know what guns good citizens own, and it's a great way to ensure that rebellion can be supressed quickly. But it won't reduce crime.

I'm really glad I live in Alaska.

[Kolesar]

11. to ensure that rebellion can be supressed quickly

Paranoid musings

[Euromutt]

24. Ever hear of a place called Bosnia-Herzegovina?

I worked at the UN tribunal for the former Yugoslavia from 1997 to 2001, and I read a lot of descriptions of ethnic cleansings in Bosnia, mostly in 1992. One common operating procedure in ethnic cleansings was that, a week or two before the "cleansing" was planned, some local cops and nationalist party members of the ethnic group doing the cleansing would do the rounds of households with registered firearms (shotguns, hunting rifles, the occasional handgun) and confiscate them "to prevent them from falling into the hands of subversives." In actual fact, it was to prevent anyone from being able to shoot back when the "cleansing" started.

Sure, the United States isn't Yugoslavia in the early 1990s, but Emmanuel's point about the usefulness of firearm registration in suppressing armed resistance from a group to be victimized is certainly valid in general.

[PavePusher]

25. Historical fact.

I do hope you use a snorkel when you bury your head in that sand...

[Goldstein1984]

27. Look at past and current human events.

Just look at the world around you.

Have you noticed how rapidly the U.S. security state has developed.

Look at the threatening response to truth exposed by Wikileaks.

[east texas lib]

37. Paranoid musings...

Don't get out much?

[SteveM]

2. Of course there may be another explanation...

Perhaps some law-abiding folks have acquired firearms for self-defense, but are not interested in telling their police department nor its mayor who they are. Given the performance of Chicago officialdom regarding the Second Amendment, I would not be surprised.

[lawodevolution]

3. I will never register my firearms thanks to the 5th and 2nd

[spin]

14. I wonder if Daley hopes to resurrect his gun owners liability insurance policy plan ...

Rumors were that he had some relative or friend in charge of the insurance company.

[slackmaster]

4. Fuck that slack-jawed fascist buffoon

And everybody who looks like him.

[Kolesar]

10. Such sophisticated language!

English major?

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[Katya Mullethov]

5. I got two words for ya son

Witch hazel .

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

6. Daley's cronyism, "Annoying"

Dirtbag corrupt politician... who cares what he thinks.

[ileus]

7. I'm thinking they'll attempt to deny services to....

people with registered firearms.

Either that or you'll have to surrender the weapons you have registered before EMS responders will come in.

In the case of PD being called I'm sure people with registered weapons will be asked to surrender the known firearms and be subject to a TSA style pat downs in their own homes.

[spin]

9. Can you imagine the backlash ...

If a person with a heart attack dies because his family members have no idea where he hid his registered firearms and the EMTs refuse to enter until the firearms are surrendered?

[krispos42]

8. So... he had as much knowledge about handguns now as this time last year.

Ha!

[X_Digger]

15. Poor Dickey Daley

I wonder what EMS and fire services do when they roll up to a house with criminally possessed firearms? Just assume that everything's safe?

What an idiot.

[benEzra]

16. At least Daley didn't threaten to bayonet and shoot any reporters this time. (n/t)

[spin]

17. That's true. With his attitude and personality he is probably the type of person ...

who should not be allowed to own a firearm.

[Glassunion]

18. Am I the only one who wants to Photoshop the shit out of that picture?

[Glassunion]

19. No takers?

[X_Digger]

20. I was thinking something like this..

Considering all the 'pull' he has with Chicago (and even IL state) government..

[Glassunion]

23. Ha! I like yours better.

On mine we can all thank Paris Hilton for donating her mouth. Nuff said...

[spin]

21. One of the reasons I started this thread was Daley's picture ...

it's a classic.

[Kolesar]

22. Exciting life you live

sarcasm/

[Tejas]

33. There would be nothing left except

microphones and blue curtains.

[Katya Mullethov]

36. Hoah

http://instantrimshot.com/
don't forget your waitress

[Euromutt]

26. That is THE lamest justification for a registry

As X_Digger rightly alludes in post #15, the rationale that you need a registry so that emergency services will know in advance whether a household contains one or more firearms only makes sense if you assume that everybody will, in fact, register any and all firearms they possess. This assumption is unrealistic, since nobody who illegally possesses a firearm is going to register it, and in fact, under Haynes v. U.S. requiring them to do so would constitute self-incrimination.

So the fact that no firearm is registered to an address doesn't mean there is no firearm present, and indeed, if there is a firearm present that is not registered because it's illegally possessed, that presents a greater potential threat to responding emergency services. Therefore, in practice, emergency service responders have to assume that there may be a firearm present in every case, and assess the possibility of any threat to themselves based on observations at the scene.

So for this purpose, a registry doesn't provide any benefits, and may actually be a liability by fostering complacency with regard to dwellings that do not contain any registered firearms.

[Callisto32]

28. Daley:

"I Want a registry of guns in peoples homes to do....something for.....someone. Whether or not it will be effective does not matter to me, so long as I get my way."


I fixed his statements for him....

[lawodevolution]

29. Taking on gun registration should be the next major step

After Heller and McDonald, I think baning gun registration schemes by US governments is the next major step. All we need is for someone to be prosecuted for not registering firearms.

Gun registration is a form of forced self incrimination so it is unconstitutional for law enforcement to use gun registration to investigate or use as evidence in court. So the only purpose of gun registration is for gun confiscation, which is also illegal in the US.

[X_Digger]

30. Not quite..

If you were legally prohibited from possessing a firearm, then prosecuting you for not registering would be forcing self-incrimination.

If you are not a 'prohibited person', there is no reason you can't be charged for not registering (based on current precedent).


Which is not to say that I agree with registration, but that's not a valid argument for law-abiding folks.

The fact that it can't be held against those people that you especially do not want to have access to firearms, yeah, that's a better argument.

[Kennah]

31. Wouldn't a Chicago PD Department of Pre-Crime make more sense?

:sarcasm:

[Tejas]

32. He should run for Mayor in Cleveland

The city of Chicago now being the oasis it is, maybe he could brighten Cleveland's day.

[one-eyed fat man]

39. The last guy from Chicago

To make a name for himself in Cleveland was named the city's youngest Public Safety Director in December 1935. Unfortunately, what was otherwise a remarkably successful career in Cleveland, withered gradually. His critics at the time pointed to his divorces, his womanizing, his high-profile social drinking and his conduct in a 1942 car accident. He ran unsuccessfully for mayor of Cleveland, in 1947.

[aikoaiko]

34. I thought Daley was dead... or maybe just irrelevant.

:shrug:

I can never keep the two straight with him.

[DeadEyeDyck]

35. I think it is a hoot that the places that have the strongest gun

control have the highest crime rate.
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jus sayin

[DonP]

38. A farewell gift to the citizens of Chicago - another big ass legal bill

Gura filed a new suit against the new Chicago gun laws Daley rammed through his rubber stamp city council in October (IIRC) after Daley got his ass kicked in McDonald v. Chicago at SCOTUS.

One of the intentional conflicts, designed to stall the implementation of the decision as long as possible, is requiring training at an approved range in the city, but ... in the same set of new laws banning all gun ranges and gun stores from the city.

So with Daley on his way out, there is another big legal bill being rung up, on his behalf, that will come out of the taxpayers pocket to support Daley's obsession with gun control in a city renowned for the killings on the street of selected neighborhoods that are under served by the police, because he can't afford more cops. I wonder how many cops the legal fees could pay for?

I'm sure Rahm isn't an elitist and will behave much differently than his predecessor.