Pro-Gun Politicians In The News

[MrBenchley]

The latest from some of the movement's leading figures...


Here's an actual NRA director....

"Anti-tax Activist Defends Holocaust Comparison
By ERIC MARX
A top anti-tax activist and White House ally is standing by his comparison of proponents of the estate tax to the perpetrators of the Holocaust, while taking the analogy further and dismissing his critics as "socialists."
"The Nazis were for gun control, the Nazis were for high marginal tax rates," said Grover Norquist in an interview with the Forward. "Do you want to talk about who's closer politically to national socialism, the Right or the Left?"
Norquist said his comments were entirely reasonable because he was drawing comparisons to misguided socialist policies. He also sought to distinguish his comments from two 30-second videos comparing President Bush to Adolf Hitler that were temporarily posted on the Web site MoveOn.org.
"Theirs was a deliberate effort to smear," Norquist said of the videos, which were posted as entries in a MoveOn.org contest soliciting model campaign ads.
Republicans and conservative pundits who were quick to slam MoveOn.org have refused to speak out against Norquist and New York Post columnist Ralph Peters, who compared opponents of the Bush administration to Nazis."

http://www.forward.com/issues/2004/04.01.23/news6.html

And here's another guy who's always spouted the gun rights line publicly...

"NEW ORLEANS -- Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, in federal prison after pleading guilty to mail and tax fraud, is considering a run for Congress when he is released this year, his secretary said Friday.
Roy Armstrong said Duke is considering entering the race for the seat of Republican Rep. David Vitter. In 1999, Duke finished third in the primary for that seat. "

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-duke-congress,0,4663934,print.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

[slackmaster]

1. I'll bet they both like beer too

:shrug:

[demsrule4life]

2. What is Senator Byrds position on gun conrol?

[MrBenchley]

3. Why, dems?

Do you want to repeat the slander Rush Limbaugh and Hannity use?

[MrSandman]

8. I've seen the Senator I voted for...

make some very intolerant remarks in the past few tears. I haven't had opportunity to listen to your sources.

[MrBenchley]

9. Yeah?

Is that WHY you voted for him?

"I haven't had opportunity to listen to your sources."
Stick around.. Somebody from the RKBA crowd is likely to regurgitate them again.

[MrSandman]

10. Actually, it was after the election.

[alwynsw]

16. He seems to flip a bit.

He generally votes in favor of gun control issues, yet he voted against mandatory trigger locks.

[Ruti]

4. This doesn't have to be an issue.

Not with a Clark/Edwards ticket!

[MrBenchley]

7. That's what you think

A favorite pasttime of the RKBA crowd hereabouts is comparing Clark to Himmler...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=23009#23024

[MrBenchley]

5. Frist's Computers Seized...

Turns out that besides stealing a billion dollars from Medicare, pro-gun Republican Bill Frist may have helped with the computer raid on Democratic confidential files.

"WASHINGTON - Federal investigators reportedly have seized a staff computer in Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist's office in a probe to find Republican aides who improperly accessed Democrats' memos on opposing judicial nominees.
Nick Smith, a spokesman for Frist, R-Tenn., would not confirm or deny Friday if an office computer or hard drive was taken by investigators representing the office of the Senate Sergeant-At-Arms. "

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/state/article/0,1406,KNS_348_2600932,00.html

Bill, of course, panders to the gun rights crowd all the way.

[alwynsw]

13. Which is it?

Frist's computers (plural) - or a Frist STAFcomputer (singular).

Either way, it's damning and approprate. It helps the argument if your comments and the article agree.

[MrBenchley]

14. Yup...

Pro-gun politicans are the sort of scum who'd steal confidential Democratic memos. Not surprised at all Frist is involved.

[alwynsw]

17. "Yup" to which?

Frist's computers (plural) or a Frist staffer's computer (singular)?

[MrBenchley]

18. Yup

Pro-gun politicans are among the scummiest figures in public life. But then the whole movement is rotten from stem to stern.

[demsrule4life]

20. Politicians from both party's?

[MrBenchley]

21. Hahahahahaha

Last time the RKBA crowd tried to come up with a list of pro-gun Democrats the effort petered out after half a dozen Zell Miller-type DINOs and Dr. Deann....who is a helluva lot closer to my position than yours.

The real "gun rights" blowhards are pieces of shit like Trent Lott, and the examples here.

[TyroneStryker]

62. I always thought that

Anti-gun "politicans" are among the scummiest figures in public life.

[MrBenchley]

6. Just a Couple of Chums With Guns

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two leading Democratic senators asked Chief Justice William Rehnquist on Thursday about the propriety of a hunting trip Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia took with Vice President Dick Cheney while Cheney has a case pending before the high court.
In a letter to Rehnquist, Sens. Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut asked the chief justice to tell them what "canons, procedures and rules" are in place to determine when justices should recuse themselves from cases.
They also asked Rehnquist what guidance justices have been given about accepting trips, and whether the full court has any way to disqualify a member from hearing a case if a justice refuses to recuse himself.
"When a sitting judge, poised to hear a case involving a particular litigant, goes on a vacation with that litigant, reasonable people will question whether that judge can be a fair and impartial adjudicator of that man's case or his opponent's claims," the senators wrote. "

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/22/scalia.cheney.trip/index.html

I'll bet they were talking about how much gun owners love freedom as they sat there in the duck blind, waiting for someone to bring out the caged ducks...

[RoeBear]

12. So that I can join the hate-fest...

...where does it say that they shot at 'caged ducks'?

[alwynsw]

15. You don't shoot at caged ducks, dummy.

Ya let 'em out first. Why shoot up a perfectly good cage?

What are you smoking? Pass it over!

[RoeBear]

19. Sorry not a hunter...

...I thought he was serious.

[MrBenchley]

22. Bwana Dick does

But of course the RKBA crowd sticks up for the scum of the earth as usual....

"So then about a month ago the vice president of these beautiful and deeply confused United States, he of the struggling defibrillator and the shockingly nefarious wife and the gnarled calluses from working Dubya's puppet strings, he of the thin-lipped sneer that makes babies cry and women wince and foreign policies crumble like feta cheese in the freezer, well, Dick goes himself a-huntin'.
Not just any ol' regular, camouflage-wearing, man-versus-nature hunt out in the wild, mind. Dick is far too fragile and unskilled and spoiled and scared of the open woods and icky furry monsters for that. Assumedly.
Nossir, our man Dick, he has himself flown over, in Air Force 2, on the taxpayer's tab, accompanied by his most favoritest shotgun, to the exclusive Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier, Westmoreland County, in rural Pennsylvania, to have himself a nice, cushy "canned" pheasant hunt.
This is what it was: Dick and about nine other overfed white guys sitting in a comfy luxury blind with their manly shotguns, waiting for the Westmoreland guy stationed behind them on a hill to release clusters of stunned, fat, tame game birds from a net. Then they shoot them. "

http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/morford/

[MrBenchley]

33. Here's what they shot at

[RoeBear]

11. In regards to Duke...

...can a felon run for office?

After reading the article more thoroughly...Why can a felon run for office?

[MrBenchley]

23. A special mention for Tom DeLay

in Tony Hendra's apology to the most pro-gun administration in American history.

"Realizing now the awesome power of prayer, we'll stop praying every moment of every day that Tom DeLay gets snatched up in the rapture. We realize, too, that the sign in his office -- "This Could Be The Day" (i.e., Judgment Day) -- does not utterly disqualify Mr. DeLay from assessing the best long-term interests of the nation. We believe, with him, that the poor are entirely to blame for their own poverty, and that if -- sorry, when -- our savior returns, he will indeed own a concealed-carry permit. We know now that Mr. DeLay is not precisely the kind of religious lunatic the Founders had in mind when separating church and state; that he and his co-religionists are in no way brutish, heathen, hate-driven humbugs whose fundamentalism makes Osama bin Laden look like the archbishop of Canterbury. We hope and pray that Mr. DeLay will guide the destiny of America till the trump of doom. Even if it is next Tuesday. "

http://www.prospect.org/print/V15/2/hendra-t.html

[FeebMaster]

24. haha priceless

the most pro-gun administration in American history

Maybe the most pro-gun in 25 years or so if you can call it "pro-gun." More "pro-gun" than the last three administrations, I guess, since they haven't banned anything else yet. They've still got some time left though.

[MrBenchley]

25. Are you kidding?

This is the bunch that doesn't want to let the FBI check to see if terrorists bought guns...there's never been a bunch as crooked and crazy as this....and the gun nuts know it and love it.

[MrBenchley]

26. Birds Aren't All Dick Cheney Wants To Kill

Evidently canned hunts don't get this pro-gun goon the jollies they used to....

"Dick Cheney, US vice-president, "waged a guerrilla war" against attempts by Tony Blair, the British prime minister, to secure United Nations backing for the invasion of Iraq.
Mr Cheney remained implacably opposed to the strategy even after George W. Bush, US president, addressed the UN on the importance of a multilateralist approach, according to a new biography of Mr Blair.
The US vice-president, along with the neo-conservatives in the Bush administration, has consistently argued that the US could be constrained by the UN's inability to reach agreement over the need to invade Iraq.
He told the World Economic Forum in Davos at the weekend: "There comes a time when deceit and defiance must be seen for what they are. At that point, a gathering danger must be directly confronted. At that point, we must show that beyond our resolutions is actual resolve." "

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1073281288764&p=1012571727102

I think the world can see Cheney's deceit and defiance quite clearly, thank you. Remember, Deadheart Dick was so pro-gun while he was in the House that he actually voted FOR plastic guns and cop-killer bullets.

[demsrule4life]

27. I never seen a plastic gun

or "cop-killer" bullets. And as we all learned on Halloween, x-ray machines can detect plastic toy guns.

[MrBenchley]

28. You and Dick Cheney ought to get along just swell, dems...

I'll bet Bwana Dick would agree with you that "Ed Asner is a commie."

[beevul]

29. Link please...

"plastic guns and cop-killer bullets"


Can you please put up a link to the plastic guns and cop killer bullets you made reference to?

[MrBenchley]

30. Happy to....

"Dick Cheney's Voting Record
* He opposed federal funding for abortions -- with no exceptions in the case of rape or incest.
* He voted against the Equal Rights Amendment for women, along with 146 other members of Congress in 1983.
* On Education, he consistently opposed funding of Head Start and voted against creating the Department of Education.
* Cheney was raised in Wyoming and opposes, as many Westerners do, gun control limits.
* He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.
* Three years later he was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not oppose this ban.
* Also in 1988, Cheney voted to scrap a proposed national seven-day waiting period on handgun purchases."

http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/cheney-record.html

Like every far right wing lunatic, he's pro-gun all the way, and a bigoted piece of shit besides. You might recall he defended apartheid right up until the end.

[beevul]

31. Close...

What I was really looking for was the link to info about the "cop killer bullets" that he voted on, and the "plastic gun". Not so much a link to how he voted, but in specific the items in question.

I have no doubt at all that cheney is an asshole.

[MrBenchley]

32. Then ask Deadheart Dick what he voted FOR

"I have no doubt at all that cheney is an asshole. "
And yet here you are trying desperately to validate one of the things that confirms that status.

[beevul]

34. If you say so bench.

I just wanted information on the items in question.

Way to attack someone on an issue they agree with you on.(yes, he IS an asshole)

[MrBenchley]

35. Gee, beev....

That might be a lot more convincing if Dems hadn't tried the "there are no such things" gambit already......

Or if it hadn't been tried by the RKBA crowd a couple months ago...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=23430

Next I expect another round of whining about how awful it is that I pointed out that Dick Cheney is exactly the sort of shithead who pushes the bogus "gun rights" agenda in public life.

[alwynsw]

38. The really are no such things

The Glock Mod. 19 which is the handgun labeled the "Plastic gun" because of it's mostly plastic frame and grip contains over a pound of metal - mostly steel. Look around and see what handgun most police departments issue these days. I'll save you the trouble, it's Glock.

The ammo in question was developed for the military with an eye towards use by police departments. It has a teflon coated bullet that's designed to pierce so-called bulletproof vest, car doors and extremely light armor. It was never designed for civilian use. I fired them on the range with the Kentucky State Police when I worked as a corrections supervisor. They're not "all that and a bag of chips". The 30.06 in FMJ penetrates better.

Plastic guns and cop killer bullets are nothing more than names tagged to products by the anti crowd to misdirect and mislead the ignorant and grow support for their cause.

[MrBenchley]

39. Good thing you and Dick Cheney

are here to expose what liberals are up to.....

[alwynsw]

42. Now who is spinning?

This portion of the thread has morphed into plastic guns and so-called cop killer bullets.

I found the plastic guns:

[MrBenchley]

45. I'd say the spinning seems to be the RKBA crowd

desperately trying to make Cheney's vote seem like a noble expression of principle, for some demented reason known only to themselves.

[alwynsw]

55. O.K., I'll indulge you

The bill limited all firearms to a minimum of 3.2 ounces of steel (it doesn't state Troy or Avoirdupois, so that's a possible sticking point because both are used to measure metal weight, depending uopn the metal being weighed). It affected no firearm in production at the time. Insofar as I've been able to research, it made no differenct to firearms that were in the design stage. (The so-called plastic Glock has ove a pound of steel in it.)

Plastic guns are a fairytale.

The so-called cop killer bullets were designed for military and paramilitary (law enforcement) use. Sporters have no need of them and most won't bear the expense if they werto be made available to the general public.

I suppose we should also ban all military weaponry because of the black market. (We saw evidence of that in a recent thread concerning Aussies trading assault rifles for drugs.) Yeah! That's the ticket. Disarm the military and cops because their weaopns might fall into the wrong hands.

edited for the typos I noticed

[MrBenchley]

57. Ask me next if I care

[alwynsw]

61. The answer is obvious

Debate and argument are not the art of tossing out facts, tidbits, and supposed facts without support and defense.

Perhaps qualification of statements is in order. If it's factual, back it up. If it's opinion, state that it is. Simple.

[MrBenchley]

64. It's probably obvious even to Dick Cheney

"Debate and argument are not the art of tossing out facts, tidbits, and supposed facts without support and defense."
Gee, seems like all the links in this thread to actual facts are mine. Wonder why that is? Because the RKBA crowd is desperately sticking up for a dishonest piece of shit like Dick Cheney?

[alwynsw]

67. If the facts are all yours, show us the research.

BTW. No posts I've seen are supporting Cheney, despite your accusations. There's and enormous difference between personalities and positions.

I refuse to automatically oppose or support anything simply becaus someone with whom I disagree or agree proposes or supports it. Each issue should stand on its own merit, regardless of its author or supporters.

If we all blindly supported the party line exclusively it would be a sorry state indeed!

[MrBenchley]

69. Sums it all up...

"No posts I've seen are supporting Cheney"
Yeah, that's why there's this desperate attempt to rehabilitate Bwana Dick and his extremist position by claiming his vote was somehow justified.

"Each issue should stand on its own merit"
And this one has none...else corrupt pieces of shit like Dick Cheney wouldn't have been pushing it.

[alwynsw]

71. Once again, it's ignore the message because of the messenger

This has all the components of an elementary schoolyard shouting match.
Or a family road trip.

"MOM! HE TOUCHED ME!"

[MrBenchley]

72. When your messenger is Dick Cheney

it's safe to say the message is shit.....and it is.

"This has all the components of an elementary schoolyard shouting match"
On the RKBA side....who was that with the toy guns?

[alwynsw]

74. I'm in no way supporting Dick Cheney, but

If he stated at this moment that D.C. is under a winter storm warning would you gainsay it or discount it as untrue?

http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=Washington%2C+D.C.

You brought up plastic guns. I obliged you by finding a representative sample of the only plastic guns available now or in the past - toys.

[MrBenchley]

81. Yeah, ri-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ight...

I think Cheney;'s word is worth exactly what the RKBA crowd's word is worth....

[demsrule4life]

41. So show us a link

with real bullet shooting guns made of all plastic.

[alwynsw]

43. See post 42 for the latest in plastic guns

Oops. You said that they had to shoot real bullets. Never mind. That kind of plastic gun doesn't exist.

Using the same logic as was used with the Glock, I guess my rifles that I've fitted with poly stocks are now plastic as well? (We won't mention that there's still a shitload of steel in the receivers, triggers, and barrels as well as fibersteel reinforcing the stocks. I want to be just like Sarah and her crowd and ignore that stuff.)

[demsrule4life]

47. One thing you have to admit is

the anti gun folks do have a very vivid imagination.

[alwynsw]

68. Admitted!

[beevul]

44. Expectations...

"That might be a lot more convincing if Dems hadn't tried the "there are no such things" gambit already......"

And it would be even more convincing if it were meant to do any convincing at all.


I ask for info on something, and all of a sudden my question turns into an unconvincing argument.

Only in the minds of anti-gun nuts.


Next I expect another round of river crying about how aweful it is that I pointed that I asked about the items in question, and got no answer about those items.

Then I expect another round of pantloading about how awful it is that I point out that Sara Brady is exactly the sort of hypocritical Elitist shithead who pushes the bogus "Anti-gun rights" agenda in public life.

Then I expect another round of "peddle it" about how awful it is that I point out that Amy Fisher is exactly the sort of malicious shithead who pushes the bogus "Anti-gun rights" agenda in public life.

[MrBenchley]

46. Uh-huh....

You and Bwana Dick Cheney can go have a big sobbing cry about how unfair it all is....

[beevul]

50. Right...

And you, "Murderer Barbie", Sara brady, and Amy fisher can cry pantloads of rivers about how horrible it is that the pro side keeps winning.

You are making this fun bench.

[demsrule4life]

49. Put up or shutup

You stated there are such things as plastic guns. Either prove it or drop it.

[MrBenchley]

51. Ask Dick Cheney, dems

He voted FOR them.

[demsrule4life]

52. By your answer I take they don't

exist and Cheney could'nt really vote on something that doesn't exist.

[MrBenchley]

56. Guess that's more of that RKBA "logic"

"Cheney could'nt really vote on something that doesn't exist. "
<sarcasm>Yeah, I'm convinced...he never voted, all right </sarcasm>


* He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.
* Three years later he was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not oppose this ban.

http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htmls/cheney-record.html

"Cheney was one of just 21 members of Congress in 1985 to vote against a ban on armor piercing “cop killer” bullets. In 1988, he was one of only 4 members voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. Those votes were cast 15 years ago, said Cheney."

http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Dick_Cheney_Gun_Control.htm

"Cheney Now Says He Would Be Open to Ban on Cop-Killer Bullets.  In an interview on July 30, 2000, Cheney responded to a question of whether he would support a ban on cop-killer bullets and plastic guns by saying, "Well, obviously, I'd be happy to entertain that notion.  I don't want to say that I'm absolutely for cop-killer bullets.  I'm clearly not."  "

http://www.politicsandelections.com/usa/butts/gorejul31.htm

"Of his 1988 votes against banning plastic guns and armor-piercing ''cop-killer'' bullets, Cheney told ABC: ''I was a great believer and am a great believer today in the Second Amendment, the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms.''" (notice he's only mentioning half of what the amendment ACTUALLY says)

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/072800/ele_0728000030.shtml

"He was one of just 21 lawmakers in 1985 to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets called “cop killers.” He was one of only eight lawmakers to oppose passage of the Clean Water Act in 1987. The following year he was one of four lawmakers to vote against banning plastic guns that might be smuggled past metal detectors."

http://www.asianweek.com/2000_07_27/feature6_bushpickscheney.html

[demsrule4life]

59. Oh where oh were are the plastic guns?

[MrBenchley]

60. Ask Dick Cheney, dems.....

Maybe you could share the Robert Byrd slur with him.

[demsrule4life]

78. You really should rethink what you just said.

and as a reminder read post #2 on this thread. Where is the slur?

[MrBenchley]

80. Too too funny, dems

[alwynsw]

36. Since you mentioned them

Provide evidence that a plastic gun - not a toy - exists.

Cop killer bullets? Show me. Not the bullet the antis tagged with this moronic name. Show me the bullet the manufacturers named cop killer.

[MrBenchley]

37. Ask Dick Cheney

He's the one that was pimping for these little "toys."

Sure is amazing watching these gun-totin' "liberals" fighting so hard to stick up for Deadheart Dick Cheney. Wonder why that is?

[alwynsw]

40. Just this once, don't dodge and dance. Just answer the question.

Provide the proof. Oops. You can't. Unless, of course, you use inaccurate tags applied by extremists.

[MrBenchley]

48. Been there, done that....

"inaccurate tags applied by extremists."

By the way, what were those vote totals again?

"* He was one of just 21 members of Congress, in December of 1985, to vote against a ban on armor piercing bullets -- called cop killer bullets.
* Three years later he was one of only four members of the House voting against a ban on plastic guns that could slip through airport security machines undetected. The National Rifle Association did not oppose this ban."

So those vote totals would have been something like 500-plus to 21, and 400-plus to four. Yeah, clearly it's the hundreds that are extremists and the handful of loonies that are in the mainstream....Guess that's more of that RKBA "logic" or whatever the hell it is.

[milliner]

53. As co liberal

so fondly points out, being in the majority doesnt make it right.

[MrBenchley]

58. Good for Deadheart Dick....

You stick with him.....

[MrBenchley]

54. Let the Eagle Soar....

NRA life member John AshKKKroft affirms his hatred of science and logic....building that bridge to the 11th century.

"VIENNA, Austria Jan. 26 — Saddam Hussein's past use of "evil chemistry" and "evil biology" and the threats they posed justified the war in Iraq even if no weapons of mass destruction are ever found, U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft said Monday.
Ashcroft, in Vienna for talks with top Austrian officials on measures to fight terrorism and drug trafficking and improve air travel security, told reporters that Saddam's arsenal remained a menace (even if it didn't exist?) and was sufficient cause to overthrow his regime."

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040126_500.html

They don't get more pro-gun than this idiot.

[alwynsw]

63. Another deflection?

[MrBenchley]

65. <sarcasm>Wow, I guess I'm busted!

What better way to deflect attention in a thread devoted to "Pro-gun Politicians in the News" than by offering YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE of a pro-gun politician in the news? </sarcasm>

Guess that's another example of that RKBA "logic" or whatever the hell it is. No wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a real scientist and Dick Cheney is a mighty hunter.

[Liberal Classic]

66. If I don't support gun control, then

I must be David Duke!

Voila logic!

But seriously, Bench, it would be nice to actually debate issues instead of wading through all these Nazi canards all the time. As you like to say sometimes, Jebus!

[MrBenchley]

70. If you want to say that, I won't stop you.

You climb over there on that soapbox with that racist scumbag and I'll stand here with honest decent people like Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry, Charles Schumer, Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the ACLU, etc.....

"it would be nice to actually debate issues"
Like what? Plastic guns? Why John Lott is so swell? What piece of shit John Stossel served up piping hot?

[Liberal Classic]

73. Let's please for the love of goodness leave the Nazi crap behind

I would so love to see Justice Public Safety without a bunch of Nazi this and Klucker that. How about a new year's resolution? :)

"it would be nice to actually debate issues"

Like what?

In all candor, anything at all. I am 100% serious.

I would be tickled pink to see anything but shit like this:

"Lott/Stossol/Whoever is a Nazi | You say what he say | YOU NAZI!"

Hooray!

I can't be the only one sick to death of it.

Let's talk about plastic guns then. Where can I get one? I pay top dollar.

[alwynsw]

75. I'll second that!

Thanks for the dose of sanity.

[beevul]

76. Yeah...

got my vote as well.

[milliner]

77. Where do I sign?

[CO Liberal]

79. I'll Make a Deal With You

If all the pro-gun folks will agree to stop calling us pro-control people "gun grabbers" and insinuate that we're all out to take away all your guns, then I'll stop using the Nazi comparisons.

Assholes, OTOH, will still be referred to as assholes.

[MrBenchley]

83. Of course, we'll still have the FACT

that the specimens who are proudly calling themselves Nazis are running around gun shows peddling hate and spouting this "gun rights" rubbish at the top of their ugly lungs.

I'd just settle for a day without Newsmax and the like from the RKBA crowd...but I guess this ferocious defense of Bwana Dick's cop killer bullets and plastic guns means more of the same old shit from "enthusiasts" in 2004.


Slackmaster (#32): "The presence of a few idiots in Nazi uniforms need not spoil a family outing."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=22105

[milliner]

84. Mr B

I think that the Nazis you speak of want to make me lose my lunch. If I could work to eliminate them I would. I just cant fathom a solution that lets me do it to them, and at the same time insulate someone like yourself from locking me up

[MrBenchley]

85. Too frigging funny for words....

[demsrule4life]

94. Man that could be tough when even the mods use it

dwickham (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-23-04 10:00 PM
Original message
Once and for all--group attacks are allowed by the current rules
anyone can say anything they want to about about the gun nuts and the gun grabbers




:evilgrin:

[MrBenchley]

82. Jeeze...

I'm not the one puffing up Stossel and Lott...I suggest if you don't want to have anybody point out what dishonest and racist right wing pieces of shit the RKBA is cheerleading for, pehaps you ought not to cheerlead for them.

"Let's talk about plastic guns then. Where can I get one? "
Ask Dick Cheney...he's the one that voted FOR them.

[Name removed]

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[MrBenchley]

88. Yeah, let's have some high-toned crap from Newsmax

for a change....

"I have never said that Bush, Cheney, Asscroft, scuse me Ashcroft, etc etc and so forth cannot be criticized, lambasted, skewered, or pilliored in any way."
Gee, thank Koresh for small favors. Of course, it wasn't anybody pro-gun control who posted umpty-ump posts and then started a second thread trying vainly to make Dick Cheney's vote in 1986 seem less ugly and idiotic than it was.

And it was the RKBA crowd pissing and moaning about how unfair it was to mention them in the same breath as militia loonies at the same time they were pissing and moaning about the "People's Republic of Kalifornia" busting the coot-crazy McShithole family. That was tres elegant, indeed.

"you are at fault for a large part of the flamewars and bullbaiting."
Yeah, guess I should sit still and let you guys discuss how enlightened, liberal and high toned Lott's and Stossel's lies are.....in a pig's eye.

[Liberal Classic]

89. I've never posted anything from newsmax

I don't think it's a reputable source. Nor have I said anything against criticizing sources as being unreliable or tainted.

Just stop the Nazi-baiting. It pollutes the forum.

It may not be against forum rules but it does nothing but create flamewars and prevents real debate.

You do want real debate don't you? Or would you prefer to have cascades of flames? Maybe I am wrong and you really enjoy flamewars where you can call people Nazis and knuckle-draggers to your heart's content.

[Columbia]

90. Truer words have never been spoken

You do want real debate don't you? Or would you prefer to have cascades of flames? Maybe I am wrong and you really enjoy flamewars where you can call people Nazis and knuckle-draggers to your heart's content.

I admire your valiant efforts, Liberal Classic, but I'm afraid they will most likely be in vain.

[MrBenchley]

92. Gee, wish that were true of the RKBA crowd

but it ain't.

Turds from right wing cesspools like Newsmax and the Washington Times bob up here with monotonnous regularity...followed by a bunch of "the message not the messenger" horseshit.

Just last week we had a dandy RKBA post from this source:

"If one needs to be convinced that Democrats ought not to hold significant power within our government, one need only look at how they behave when they lose the power they did have. Like a hysterical adolescent mildly punished for already inappropriate behavior, Democrats are screaming irrationalities and inaccuracies because they’ve been asked – by the voters – to step aside and let Republicans handle the war on terrorism and the economy. "

http://www.americandaily.com/

That source also had a gloriously racist story on its front page as well. Funny, I didn't hear one member of the RKBA crowd call that toxic bit of sludge "forum pollution."

"You do want real debate don't you?"
About what? The phony British bloodbath? What a laugh.

[beevul]

93. Feel free...

"Of course, it wasn't anybody pro-gun control who posted umpty-ump posts and then started a second thread trying vainly to make Dick Cheney's vote in 1986 seem less ugly and idiotic than it was."

Feel free to point out who besides yourself even mentioned the name "Dick Cheney" in that other thread.

I just started a thread about the objects in question. I want to know the facts about the objects in question. Forgive me if I don't take the word just any-old-one and wish to see them discussed by a group. I wanted to know facts about the things you were saying he voted for.
What are the facts reguarding "cop killer" bullets? What are the facts reguarding plastic guns. Those are the questions I wanted to know answers to. God forbid anyone get to the bottom of anything in this fucking forum.


"And it was the RKBA crowd pissing and moaning about how unfair it was to mention them in the same breath as militia loonies at the same time they were pissing and moaning about the "People's Republic of Kalifornia" busting the coot-crazy McShithole family. That was tres elegant, indeed."

Translation: In the minds of some folks, if you have tunnels under your house, make a living in the gun industry, believe in the second amendment, are religious, believe CA to be too restrictive in any way haveing to do with firearms, have 6 kids, or speak out against heavy handed law enforcement, you deserve to go to jail, have your house burned down, business destroyed, and be separated from your spouse.
"Tolerance" at its best.

Lets talk about garage doors. Oh, nevermind. A repuke somewhere must have one.

[MrBenchley]

86. "...he'd call me Tanker Tiahrt,"

Here's a surprise, this corrupt piece of crap is heap deep in the crooked Boeing tanker lease deal to fleece taxpayers...

"Faced with Daniels' objections, Boeing did what only a handful of American businesses can do: It went over Daniels' head and straight to Bush. Through a series of meetings among the president and his staff and key members of Congress--including House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.)--Boeing applied enough pressure at the top to push its contract through in May.
Today, however, those hardball tactics have backfired. The lobbying campaign is the subject of criminal, congressional and Pentagon investigations.
Tiahrt said he also raised the issue with Bush.
"At one time, when he'd see me, he'd call me Tanker Tiahrt," the congressman said. "So I know I was getting my message across."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0401260165jan26,1,1069212.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Tiahrt's little-noticed amendment destroyed background check records, made it easier for criminals to get guns, and protected the most reckless gun dealers in the nation.

[beevul]

91. Wow, I had never seen a ...

straw airplane before today.

[davidinalameda]

95. locking

do I really need to post a reason?