Another one bites the dust

[formercia]

http://www.pressherald.com/news/Shooting-victims-girlfriend-charged-with-robbery-.html

Shooting victim's girlfriend charged with robbery

The Associated Press

EASTBBROOK — A 23-year-old eastern Maine woman has been charged with robbery in connection with a home invasion that led to the shooting death of her boyfriend.

Maine State Police say Ashley Crowley of Beals was arrested today.

Police say Crowley lured a man out of his Eastbrook home early Monday morning by claiming she'd been involved in a car accident. The homeowner told police he fatally shot Crowley's boyfriend, 23-year-old Nicholas Richards of Machias, after Richards assaulted him outside his home.

The shooter has not been charged.

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[Name removed]

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[sharesunited]

2. One point awarded. The assailant apparently did not use a gun.

[Katya Mullethov]

3. Who gets the point ?

Who scored ?

[sharesunited]

6. The side which argues that guns and ammo should be readily available to the public.

If the assailant had used a gun, it would be worth zero points.

There is no pro-gun argument to be salvaged from stories where a gun is used to respond to gun.

If a gun was used offensively, at inception of the crime, zero points are awarded to the "more guns" theory of public health.

[rrneck]

9. Let's look at that again.

"There is no pro-gun argument to be salvaged from stories where a gun is used to respond to gun."

:rofl:

Couldya get points if you defended yourself against an assailant with a gun using a water balloon? The bad guy has a gun, but using a gun in response ain't legal? Really?

:rofl:

You crack me up.

[sharesunited]

10. Whether it's legal in any given situation is a question for a jury or sympathetic prosecutor.

My allocation of points is confined solely to whether the danger being responded to with a gun was a gun in the first instance.

If society needs guns because society has guns, an underlying fallacy as to any such "need" is plainly revealed.

[rrneck]

11. further down the rabbit hole..

You missed (dodged) the point because of your obvious irony impairment.

It is a strange coincidence that I just finished watching Inception. I feel like I'm trapped in some weird bizarro dream.

Your point system actually awards points for an increase in the disparity of force.

Now if you'll excuse me my chair is about to float out of the room.

[sharesunited]

12. It's consistent with your perpetual questioning What About Fists, Bats, Knives, Etc.

I'm awarding points entirely consistently with your own justification for guns in the hands of the public.

The problem is that guns in the hands of the public just promote guns being used in the first place, offensively.

[rrneck]

13. A question

you have been energetically avoiding for quite some time.

Got an answer yet?

[sharesunited]

16. The answer is a political and qualitative one.

The answer in the USA is that we believe guns and ammo conclude more trouble than they commence. (But even if they don't, that's still somehow okay because of our tradition as a gun clinging society.)

The answer in the USA is that, despite the widespread injustice caused to victims of their misuse, it is somehow still worth having guns and ammo readily available to the public to do with as we may.

The answer in the USA is that we (or any faction of us) reserve the right to go to war with our government regardless of consensus or lack thereof, and that guns and ammo will somehow righteously empower us to do so.

No need to reiterate how ridiculous those arguments seem to me.

[X_Digger]

17. You still haven't answered.. -1 point n/t

[rrneck]

18. How does the block of text you just presented

transcend the laws of physics?

There is a real world out there you know.


:rofl:

[Atypical Liberal]

19. It is astonishing to me.

It is absolutely astonishing to me that we have two people involved in at least 2 other home invasions, who set up a trap for a person, luring him out of his home with the intent to do him bodily harm, actually assaulted him, and when this person fights back with a gun you don't like it.

Would you have been happy if the guy fought back with his hands and feet?

[SteveM]

21. I think it is because...

...he is a hard-line prohibitionist who relishes severe-enforced control and punishment. Ask about his position on the War on Drugs.

[pipoman]

4. In some states she could be charged with

manslaughter or murder...too bad Maine apparently isn't one of them.

[SteveM]

22. Yeah, felony murder would snag her in Texas. She'll probably get a light sentence.

[applegrove]

5. Am I supposed to cheer this death? Is that the purpose of your post?

Cause I don't.

[Euromutt]

7. The title might suggest it, but the incident has implications relevant to this forum

What we have here is an incident where the young woman lures the occupant out of his residence, on false pretenses calculated to appeal to his good nature, so that her boyfriend/accomplice can catch the occupant in the open. As a home invasion tactic, it's pretty cunning, since it does away with the need to force entry into the residence (since the occupant will either have left the door unlocked or have his keys on him), it draws the occupant away from the landline telephone and any firearms he may have in his residence, and denies him the time needed to call 911 on his cell phone.

The reason Ms Crowley and the late, not particularly lamented, Mr. Richards failed to succeed in this case was that the occupant possessed a handgun that he carried on his person and was thus able to keep with him as he went out of his house and exposed himself to attack by Richards. It's a point worth bearing in mind for anyone who takes the position that it's acceptable to keep a firearm in the home, but not to take it out onto the public thoroughfare. The robbers deliberately tried to maximize the chance that their victim would be unarmed by making him think he'd be going into the public thoroughfare, requiring him to leave any firearms behind if he did not possess the necessary permits to carry a firearm in public. In Illinois, Mr. Richards would have caught his prospective victim unarmed.

And I don't think anyone is asking you to cheer Mr. Richards' demise, but I don't think you can fault anyone for thinking his demise wasn't exactly untimely. Not only is it a pretty filthy stunt to draw someone out of the relative protection of his home by appealing to his compassion, and then to abuse that compassion by inflicting grievous bodily harm on him so that you can rob his house, but it's the kind of behavior that in the longer term erodes the bonds of society, and endangers people's lives, by making people distrustful of pleas for help. Thus, we at least have good reason to cheer the end of Mr. Richards' and Ms Crowley's criminal career.

[formercia]

8. Well spoken

IMHO

This incident occurred less than a mile from where our family has a summer camp, so it's personal in a way.

[Tejas]

14. No, cheer that the shooter is alive.

That is unless you relish the idea of law-abiding citizens losing their life to thugs and criminals, of which I'm sure you don't..............right?

[PavePusher]

15. Wow. Some people around here do know how to miss a point.... n/t

[jazzhound]

20. Gun-aversive brain freeze can be only mildly dangerous

if identified and treated early.