Candians at risk of losing firearms

[Atypical Liberal]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/battle-over-chinese-made-rifle-pits-gun-enthusiasts-against-rcmp/article1845189/

"Several gun owners are refusing to surrender a semi-automatic rifle that was imported from China and bought legally before the RCMP retroactively declared it a prohibited weapon. "

And of course, since Canada registers firearms, there is no problem in rounding them up once the government changes its mind on what its citizens are allowed to own.

This is a perfect example of why anonymous firearm ownership is a necessity.

[rfranklin]

1. They'll never get my bazooka!

Or my Stingers either!

[lawodevolution]

3. that's because you don't have one

[benEzra]

5. Bazooka != .22 caliber centerfire rifle

but you knew that.

I suppose I shouldn't complain too much, since at least you didn't use the "rifle = thermonuclear weapon" conflation...

[SteveM]

14. "Don't touch my.... bazooka"? How 'bout your battlecruiser? Got one?

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Will a Pocket Battleship do?

[spin]

21. Does my S&W Model 642 snub nosed revolver which I carry in my pocket ...

qualify as a pocket battleship?

[Callisto32]

24. Battlecruiser....

...operational?

[cleanhippie]

27. You have those items?

Where did you get them? Or are you lying about it?

[oneshooter]

28. Yes you can, one of two ways.

Buy a "De-Milled" weapon. In this case it will have 2 bars welded in the tube, and a 3" hole in the side of the breech.

http://www.keepshooting.com/militarysurplus/collectibles/israeli-bazooka-rocketlauncher.htm


OR, you can go through the vetting process for a DD permit, wait 6 months or so for that. Then find a live one to buy...........If you can!

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[cleanhippie]

29. Yeah, I know, I just wanted to hear from rfranklin. Looks like that is not gonna happen.

Just a hit and run post from him, I guess.

[Bumblebee]

2. So "Candians" can no longer shoot cans, for which their country seemes

to have been named? Another good reason to move to "Canda," as far as I am concerned!

[riverbendviewgal]

4. I have my fire arms license

I am Canadian.
I submitted to an RCMP background check to have a firearm.

I can have a rifle. I don't want a machine gun.....

I don't feel threatened because I can't have one.

This is the difference from the two countries....

We like to think up here "we are all in this boat together" while down south of the border in America it is "Every man for himself."

[benEzra]

6. Your machinegun restrictions were originally modeled on *ours*.

All automatic weapons, and guns easily convertible to full auto, are as tightly regulated in the United States as bombs, howitzers, and missiles; simple possession outside police/military/government duty is a 10-year Federal felony, unless you first obtain written Federal authorization (BATFE Form 4), and even the Form 4 process only applies to rare pre-1986 collectibles.

U.S. rules for civilian rifles are currently similar to what Canada's were a few years ago (even down to the FBI background check via NICS), prior to your reclassification of non-automatic AR-15's and such as restricted firearms and your draconian magazine capacity restrictions. Like you, I own non-automatic civilian rifles, not machineguns, and I would note that the gun in question (Norinco 97A), even if semiautomatic, isn't legal in the United States due to the import bans put in place by President Bush I and extended by President Clinton.

[Atypical Liberal]

9. No imports...

Yeah, they sure headed that one off at the pass, eh?

It's OK to flood Walmart with cheap Chinese stuff, but heaven forbid they start importing cheap firearms, too.

[PavePusher]

8. Well, except for the fact that you are wrong about the U.S.....

Whatevah.

[friendly_iconoclast]

10. "We like to think up here "we are all in this boat together"- except for the Péquistes, the Alberta

sepratists, and oh yeah, the First Nations might disagree with that as well.


I do have to give the PQ snaps for extracting transfer payments from the Feds by threatening to leave.


You can't even judge your own country accurately. How can you presume to judge ours?

[SteveM]

16. Uh, what does a "machine gun" have to do with this thread?...

The discussion was over a semi-auto carbine, not FULL-AUTO weapons.





But you knew that.

[one-eyed fat man]

17. Marstar

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-Automatics/index.shtm

Marstar Canada stocks a large selection of hard to find parts, accessories, and parts sets for full-auto firearms. We also have a section of full-automatic firearms offered for sale to those with the appropriate licenses (see warning below), along with newly-made semi-automatic only versions of famous machine guns any Canadian with a valid FAC or PAL can own. Use the menu on the left to access our parts and accessories.

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-SSD/index.shtm

Marstar Canada is proud to present the North American debut of the all-new WWII pattern Wehrmacht semi-automatic firearms. As these are not 'prohibited long arms' they may also be transported to and from approved target ranges just like any handgun (under the owner's 'Authorization to Transport' aka. 'ATT': contact your CFO at 800-731-4000 for further details). Militaria exhibitors and living history re-enactors with a valid ATT finally have the ability to take WWII pattern 'semi-auto only' versions of the MP-38, MP-44, and MP-3008 to collectors' shows and 'WWII re-enactment' events!

All of those are legal in Canada and unavailable and illegal to import in the US. The parts of the C2 upper receiver (Canadian version of the FAL) that are legal to own in Canada are the parts the ATF here says are illegal and the FAL lower parts that are legal here are verboten in Canada.

"What this issue taps into are the ideas of self protection and private property - ideas from south of the border that are quite alien to Canadian values."

- Wendy Cukier, Anti-Firearms Lobbyist with the Coalition of Gun Control. Globe and Mail, February 19th, 2000

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal." - Janet Reno

You got Wendy, we got Janet, both pretty much cut from the same cloth as near as I can tell.

[oneshooter]

18. What type of rifle?

Semi-auto................. Assault Rifle

Scoped bolt action...........Sniper rifle

Single shot rifle...........Sniper Rifle (if scoped) Saturday night special if not

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[krispos42]

23. I don't care if you want to own a semi-automatic rifle

It's the wrong question to ask.


Do you want the right to own a semi-automatic rifle?

[Callisto32]

25. Broad brush is BROAAAAAAD.

Besides, maybe the difference is that south of your boarder we value individual autonomy, rather than just accepting the arbitrary dictates of those who would be our masters?

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. Sounds about right. One of our Canadian DUers was quite vexed about it.

I notice that she doesn't post here much, lately. Apparently us Yanks are just a might too stroppy for her taste.

[Katya Mullethov]

30. And with an ear splitting grito

I dash a little tungi in the sand . For Don Alejo . I do miss Scoldilock's polysyllabic sophistry , but not enough to waste even an ounce of good hooch .

[GreenStormCloud]

31. For which I am grateful. N/T

[slackmaster]

7. Just like the detachable-magazine SKS rifles in California

:argh:

[damntexdem]

11. Good for Canada!

Time to do it here.

[benEzra]

12. Already done here, years ago.

All guns easily convertible to full auto *are* full auto for the purposes of U.S. law, even if not actually converted, and the gun in question (even if non-automatic) isn't legal to import into the USA because Norinco firearms can't be imported here.

I suppose it's an open question as to whether the gun in question actually *is* easily convertible or not, but U.S. law is just as strict as Canada's on this and has been for decades.

[Straw Man]

13. Good for Canada?

Time to do it here.

Could you be more specific as to what "it" is? If you had read the whole thread, you'd know that this rifle is already banned in the US, but more because of its country of origin than its functionality. Are you also aware that this is not a fully automatic weapon, but was banned because the RCMP was able to turn it into one? Did you know that modifying a firearm to make it fully automatic is (a) not an easy task at all and (b) already a felony? A competent gunsmith could build a full-auto weapon from scratch, but that would be illegal. And expensive.

Ban gunsmiths! It's the only way we'll be safe.

[Atypical Liberal]

15. It has been done here in California, IIRC

There were some rifles that people bought in California, and had to register, that California then decided people could not have, and confiscated them using their registry, IIRC.

[Kennah]

20. First they banned ...

... guns smaller than a breadbox.

Then they banned guns bigger than a breadbox.

Finally they banned breadbox guns.

[Katya Mullethov]

22. You can still carry a purse there

Just hit em with that .