Why did the shooter have a semiautomatic on him?

[Parche]

Thats what I would like to find out...........
the right to bear arms is one thing.....
but to have a semiautomatic and or machinegun is criminal
FUK THE NRA
:grr::grr:

[edhopper]

1. Because he could

The NRA, the GOP and their Dem enablers believe there should be NO restrictions on gun ownership.

[Pancho Sanza]

2. I'm certain you don't really believe that completely false statement.

...

[Parche]

6. i believe in my truthful statement

and i will stand behind it

[Pancho Sanza]

8. That picture...is that a fishing boat?

............

[PavePusher]

23. Submarine. And it's about to go down. How sad. n/t

[oneshooter]

47. Then please show us the sites where your proof is. n/t

[Hoopla Phil]

65. You'll "stand behind it"??? Then please show some evidence.

[Kingofalldems]

4. +1

And here comes the gungeon---:popcorn:

[PavePusher]

24. Cite to evidence...

or your claim is bullshit.

[jody]

3. You should learn the difference between semiautomatic and machine gun before you write.

You have time to correct your post before others point out your absurd mistake.

[Parche]

9. i said and or machinegun

read it before you make statements

i never said they were the same

i was stating semiautomatic and or machineguns such as uzi's

[Posteritatis]

17. Okay, now you're just embarrassing yourself. (nt)

[jody]

19. Ignorance is a curable disease, stupidity is a terminal illness. n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

5. Your ignorance is amazing. Semi auto is the standard pistol made today

It is carried by all levels of law enforcement. They are more concealable than revolvers. They have been around for over a century. They have nothing to do with machine guns.

[Parche]

12. read my post again

i said and or machineguns
i was mentioning semiautomatics and guns like uzi's

[Pancho Sanza]

14. You said "and or is criminal". Owning a semiautomatic is not criminal.

Q.E.D.

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[Pancho Sanza]

7. Do you know the difference between a semiautomatic and a machine gun?

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[Parche]

13. i do

i was in the airforce
and did shoot a machinegun

[Pancho Sanza]

15. What was your MOS?

And what -did- you shoot?

[Posteritatis]

18. I doubt both of those. (nt)

[Pancho Sanza]

48. The only way he shot a machine gun in the AF is if it was in a fighter airplane

and he does not write like a college educated pilot, IMO.

[spin]

64. He might have fired an M16 and thought it was a machine gun

rather than a assault rifle.

[PavePusher]

68. Actually, if he was Security Forces, P.J., TAC-P or a few other AFSC's,...

he may well have used an M249, or a M2. Possibly even a GAU-2 if he was a gunner or F.E. on helicopters.

Of course, unless he can provide some more concrete evidence, we'll never know.

Edit: He may also have had an actual M16A1. But that would date him a bit...

[ProgressiveProfessor]

27. Then you clearly have forgotten it

[Parche]

28. i dont give a damn what you think you are entitled to

[ProgressiveProfessor]

32. Where have entitilements come into this?

That you are unable to understand basic concepts of the technology let alone our basic rights and freedoms should be a concern

[HALO141]

39. I don't give a damn what you think i'm not entitled to

[AtheistCrusader]

63. I feel the same about your emotional screed that started this thread

[Posteritatis]

46. Please tell us what the difference between a semiautomatic and a machine gun is

While you're at it, explain to us what a machine gun is, because an Uzi isn't one.

[DLine]

10. Most guns are semiautomatic...

Nothing odd or outrageous about that.

[HereSince1628]

11. I think the direct answer is because

he had a need to shoot the large number of bullets in the oversized magazine.

Shooting people isn't regulated like shooting ducks where the number of shells in the shotgun is limited.

[Pancho Sanza]

16. Shooting people isn't regulated?

I'm saving that one...

[HereSince1628]

20. The number of rounds in the magazine in a handgun for self-protection

isn't limited as is the number of shell in a shotgun used for hunting ducks.

The handgun in the Gillford shooting was street legal with an extended magazine that held at least 30 rounds. The 36 round magazine for the glock can be bought factory direct for about $40.

A shotgun used in duck hunting can only have 3 shells in it at a time.

So it is true, a gun used to kill people isn't regulated with respect to it's capacity in the same way that a shotgun used for duck hunting is limited. Strange but true.

[Pancho Sanza]

45. I admit I was being snarky, I knew exactly what you meant...but

there are plenty "hunters" who don't pay any attention to the legally required plugs just as there are other lawbreakers who will stoop to murder. Most of these regulations and restrictions are like locks on your front door which will keep out honest people. :shrug:

[Fla_Democrat]

21. Haven't got a clue on guns, huh?

:shrug:

But to have a 79 Pinto and or a 2011 Ferarri is criminal.......



:smoke:

[slackmaster]

22. Apparently his intent was to commit murder

Is this really so hard to figure out?

[PavePusher]

25. I carry one any time I'm not on base.

What's the problem with semi-autos?

[Parche]

29. I DONT CARE WHAT THE GUN LOBBY OR GUN OWNERS SAY

people should not have or carry semiautomatics or machineguns such as uzi's
period

[X_Digger]

30. Let me get this straight.. you want to outlaw all semi-automatics?

Just trying to be clear in my understanding..

[Parche]

31. that and machine guns like uzi's

yes

[X_Digger]

33. You might as well say outlaw all cars made since 1950.

A majority of handguns produced now are semi-automatic- and have been for quite a long time.


But I'm curious about the 'machinegun' thing- how many crimes have been committed with machineguns? I'm not sure if you're aware, but they've been tightly controlled since 1934, and there are only a handful of cases that I can find regarding their misuse.

[Parche]

35. bad analogy

and i stand by what i said

[X_Digger]

37. Please expand..

The traditional revolver still exists today, but has been supplanted in sales (and law enforcement use) by the likes of Glock, Springfield XD, Kimber, etc.

Heck, one of the most popular semi-automatics is the 1911, which is over a hundred years old.

Do you apply this same desire for rifles as well?

[X_Digger]

54. Oh dear..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=125315

[shadowrider]

67. -- SNORT --

[ProgressiveProfessor]

34. You are still short on the facts

Uzi doesn't make machine guns

[slackmaster]

36. I don't care what you say

:hi:

[Parche]

38. and i dont care that you dont care what i say

so there :hi:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

40. You continue to do more damage to you position

Please keep it up

[Parche]

41. and i still dont care that you think

there is somehow more damage to a position going on......

[Katya Mullethov]

43. I care

And it has been duly noted .

[benEzra]

42. "Semiautomatic" is a technical term for how an ordinary pistol or self-loading rifle works.

Most civilian guns are semiautomatic. That means they fire once and only once when the trigger is pulled and don't fire again until you release the trigger and pull it a second time.

To put it in everyday terms, an office stapler is semiautomatic; a sewing machine is automatic.

[Katya Mullethov]

44. The whole point is the ability to "spray from the hip"

With an assault pistol .

On Fox last night the GLock 19 was referred to as an assault pistol, extended magazines and all. Then Geraldo (my favorite self appointed expert) states that the Congresswoman was hit by a 9mm slug that is a "large' and "massive slug" to be hit with. Really ? And had it been a lead ball from a brace of LeMats would the tune be any different ?

The mass media is filled with nonsensical wind bags who either do not do any homework or suffer from a lack of good education (likely both). Our nation is saturated with people that look good and sound good, but have no skills or talent to back themselves up. The media just reflects the politicians and that reflects society .

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[beevul]

52. Wait a minute.

"The mass media is filled with nonsensical wind bags who either do not do any homework or suffer from a lack of good education (likely both)."

You saying theyre hiring former brady folks?

:evilgrin:

[Pancho Sanza]

49. I claimed my S&W revolver was semiautomatic, a DUer said no I was wrong.

Apparently he believes the cocking action must be performed by energy from the previous round, I say no, that my finger is sufficient. What say -you-? :D

[benEzra]

56. He's correct. Rate of fire is the same, but technically

a semiauto is a gun that reloads the chamber after each shot (but doesn't fire), and a revolver is a gun that rolls a new loaded chamber into position for each shot. Same outcome (one shot when the trigger is pulled) but a different mechanism.

Now, as a curiosity, there was a semiautomatic revolver made at one time---the Italian Mateba---and it is a bit of a collectible now due to its unique (and slightly wierd) design. Instead of using energy from the trigger to roll the cylinder, it used the recoil impulse to do so, as I recall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver

[Posteritatis]

57. A semiauto revolver's more art/ingenuity/etc than a cost-effective design, I take it?

One of those things done more for the sake and challenge of doing it than because it necessarily makes sense?

[benEzra]

59. Yup, that about sums it up.

Not coincidentally, the Mateba semiauto revolver came from the same country that gives us Lamborghini, Ferrari, Maserati, Pagani, and Ducati. :D

[oneshooter]

61. Don't forget the Webley "Automatic Revolver" it even had a saftey on it. n/t

[Pancho Sanza]

58. Okay, I see...it depends on whether the chamber moves or is stationary.

I'll dig up that thread and apologize to the guy. And all this time I thought "one trigger pull one shot" was a sufficient definition of semiautomatic. Live and learn, I guess. :-)

[Katya Mullethov]

60. ATF has added at enourmous expense

" If a bullet is fired with each touch of the trigger TO the finger it is a machine gun ".

It was very capricious and could cause no end of confusion and grief , but fortunately for the rest of us (for now) they were just playing a practical joke with Bill Akins' life savings . Pretty funny joke huh ?

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[GSLevel9]

53. because he is a criminal and wanted to hurt someone.

Duh.

Btw, an old cowboy lever action rifle isn't much slower than a modern semi-auto. You want to go back to 1872 to ban certain designs?

LOL.

[Euromutt]

55. Because he intended to commit murder

The same reason Volkert van der Graaf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkert_van_der_Graaf) and Mohammed Bouyeri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Bouyeri) had semi-automatics on them, even there's no way that's legal in the Netherlands.

[lawodevolution]

62. "*** the NRA"

The NRA has helped reduce the rate of gun violence and accident rate while the Brady Campaign has had no effect.

After the Brady Campaign started pushing to reduce the possession rate of firearms in the US, people started to buy more guns, increasing the rate of gun possession rather drastically. Many gun owners own their guns because of or own more guns because of the fear or anger they experienced from the actions of gun control groups.

The NRA works with law enforcement and educates children in gun safety. It also happens that violent crime and gun accidents is going down. It seems the NRA has helped save lives while the Brady Campaign has caused guns to proliferate.

[ileus]

66. I buy nothing but semi-auto pistols.

The only revolver I own was my grandfathers.

[guitar man]

69. Because

Because it wasn't a full auto, revolver, bolt action, lever action,pump action, breech loader, percussion lock, flintlock, wheel lock, matchlock.........