Carolyn McCarthy D-NY Readies Gun Control Bill

[pnwmom]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html

One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday targeting the high-capacity ammunition clip the gunman used.

McCarthy ran for Congress after her husband was gunned down and her son seriously injured in a shooting in 1993 on a Long Island commuter train.

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Gun control activists cried it was time to reform weapons laws in the United States, almost immediately after a gunman killed six and injured 14 more, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in Arizona on Saturday.

Many said that people with a history of mental instability, like the alleged shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, should not be able to buy a gun — and no one should be able to buy stockpiles of ammunition used by the 22-year-old assailant.

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McCarthy’s spokesman confirmed the legislation will target the high-capacity ammunition clips the Arizona gunman allegedly used in the shooting, but neither he or the congresswoman offered any further details.



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[slackmaster]

1. Tacky

Any word on whether her bill would ban that shoulder thing that goes up?

[onenote]

20. tacky would define your post, imo

[sharesunited]

2. While you're at it, congresswoman, introduce repeal of this POS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

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[Statistical]

9. Why?

Why should a gun manufacturer be held liable for the illegal use of their product. No other product is held to that standard.

Should you be able to sue Budweiser when a drunk driver kills someone.
Should you be able to sue Chevy when their car is used as getaway vehicle in a robbery.
Should you be able to sue Craftsman when their crowbar is used to break into a home.

[aikoaiko]

3. Sadly, I think Carolyn has been waiting for a tragedy like this to push her unpopular agenda.

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[FLAprogressive]

13. Explain how gun control policies would have prevented this person from getting a gun

via the black market or through family/friends/etc.

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[Statistical]

22. False analogy. The US NON-FIREARM homicide rate is 3x that of Japan.

This is in a country with high availability of firearms we still kill people at nearly three times the rate of Japan when excluding firearms.

Looking at more similar demographics and culture, violent crime rate is in UK (gun free utopia) is more than double that of the US.

[pnwmom]

24. Suppose you're going to say the Canadian crime rate is higher, too. n/t

[Statistical]

26. No but they have roughly the same % of gun owners.

Of course they have a very good mental health system, developed social safety net, less of an emphasis of the "war on drugs", and no for-profit prisons. However I guess that can't be it.

If we just ban guns everything will be unicorns.

[pnwmom]

23. And not just Japan. Canada's rate is much lower than ours, too.

As well as most other "civilized" countries.

[Statistical]

25. Canada has roughly the same % of gunowners compared to the US. n/t

[aikoaiko]

30. Wow, what did I miss?

[Statistical]

5. Same garbage bill she has tried to pass every year for last decade.

Maybe if she dips it in enough blood it will stick.

However I doubt it. Even her own party doesn't support her when she hunts her White Whale.

[Renew Deal]

7. Would Obama sign in?

I don't think it will pass anyway.

[eleny]

8. "pounced"

:eyes:

[FLAprogressive]

10. The Brady Bunch and their congressional allies have tried to use every gun tragedy to advance their

agenda and have failed. They ought to quit trying and deal with the reality that their utopian gun control policies are not something that will ever work in this country.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

11. Never Waste A Good Tragedy...

The issure was a loser in '94 and (with even greater proliferation of firearms over the past decade) it's sure to be a loser now. If this bill even goes to the floor for a vote, dems who vote for it will lose seats. Something like this could even cost us the Senate and whitehouse. Carolyn McCarthy needs to ask herself if her little little pet agenda is worth this.

[Statistical]

12. She did the same thing after Vt and the bill went nowhere.

Hell in the 10 years during the AWB she couldn't get enough votes to get it out of Democratic party controlled comitee.

Democrats don't want to lose control of Congress again (1996) as the result of another ill defined and useless gun control bil (AWB 2.0). Even President Clinton admits the AWB cost his party control of Congress.


http://books.google.com/books?id=PVmJqiW4mpMC&lpg=PA215&ots=iHOIJe8KpJ&dq=The%20N.R.A.%20could%20rightly%20claim%20to%20have%20made%20Gingrich%20the%20House%20speaker&pg=PA215#v=onepage&q=The%20N.R.A.%20could%20rightly%20claim%20to%20have%20made%20Gingrich%20the%20House%20speaker&f=false

When you consider what legislation followed over the next decade before Democrats retook control of Congress it wasn't really worth it. One worthless, do nothing, feel good gun control bill vs a decade of Republican Congressional control and the hundreds if not thousands of bills that produced.

[TheMightyFavog]

15. Right on. Embracing gun control in the late 20th century was the biggest mistake we made.

It's done nothing but cost us working class voters.

[virginia mountainman]

14. THIS Caroline McCarthy??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ospNRk2uM3U

The one that clearly has no idea what she is talking about?? Even though it is her signature issue??

[Glassunion]

33. It's the thing that goes up. You know... The thing that is popular with the gangs and terrorists.

[Tejas]

37. barrel shrouds + heat seeking bullets = Bambi jerky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRQqieimwLQ

[derby378]

16. If McCarthy wants my ammo clip, tell her to get her own

This legislation will die a swift, painful death, just like all of her other recent attempts to chip away at the Second Amendment.

[spin]

17. Targeting high capacity magazines "clips" is an example of "feel good" legislation ...

During the days of the Assault Weapons Ban magazines made after a certain date could only hold ten rounds. High capacity magazines made before that date were always available (even during the ban) but suddenly cost big bucks.

Before the assault weapons ban few shooters had high capacity magazines. During and after it seemed every shooter had to have several. Amazing how when you ban something it becomes popular.

I personally don't own any high capacity magazines because if ten rounds of ammo isn't enough, I can swap out the expended magazine with another holding ten fresh rounds in one second. Also high capacity magazines have a higher tendency to cause a malfunction or jam.

I suppose you could pass a law where all high capacity magazines would have to be turned in. Many people would refuse and we suddenly would have millions of new criminals in our nation. I guess we could let real criminals our of prison to find room for those who were caught with the hi cap magazines.

I would suggest that we try to find a better way of getting the names of people with serious mental issues into the NICS background check database so as to stop a gun dealer from selling a firearm to a potentially dangerous person. If we do this, we don't have to write any new laws, we just need to get the states to input the names.

[Statistical]

19. Not only that the cost of any such recall would be astronomical.

There are nearly a billion (best guess) full capacity magazines out there. At even $20 each that is $20B in capital costs, plus the massive overhead to collect, process, record, and destroy them.

Then one needs to expect compliance will be low. Among criminal elements compliance will be 0.0%. Anyone think a criminal is going to go turn in a mag that they are prohibited from owning anyways. Billions upon billions wasted for nothing.

If you try to go cheap and just ban new sales it is even more worthless (although cheaper).

[spin]

27. Politicians just want to appear to be doing something....

most voters never realize that the "feel good" laws that get passed are worthless or cause far more problems than they solve.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Bravo for her. It's past time this country joins the rest of the civilized world.

[virginia mountainman]

29. Define "civilized"? nt

[Glassunion]

34. Define "Bravo"?

[Tejas]

31. Yes, let's have caning like Singapore.

Feel free to list your favorite "civilized" countries.

[Glassunion]

35. Tomorrow-morrow Land

[benEzra]

36. Ummm, the guns she wants to ban are legal in most of Europe.

Off the top of my head, citizens can own AR-15's and such in Germany, Sweden, Finland, Norway, France, Switzerland, Czech Republic, and IIRC a few others.

Norway

Sweden

Finland

Czech Republic

France

Switzerland

Spain

I got tired of looking it up, but this is not an exhaustive list. Paperwork requirements vary (Czech Republic and Switzerland are both similar to the USA with regard to AR ownership, both with a lower homicide rate than the UK; France, much more paperwork required; others, probably in the middle, though I'm not sure how much of a hassle it is in Spain.

But I guess those countries aren't part of the civilized world, in your view?

Hint: The UK is *not* representative of Europe's gun laws; UK gun restrictions are wacky by European standards.

[jody]

28. I admire you pnwmom for your persistence in opposing the inalienable RKBA.

[PavePusher]

32. UnRecced for more pandering to ignorance. Persistent, aintchya? n/t