Dana Loesch: "Name a place where concealed carry hasn't reduced crime". David Gergen: "Tuscon"

[Turborama]

Ok that was not an exact quote, she might have said "state" or "county" instead of "place".

Gergen kind of redeemed himself right at the very end of AC360 just now, after spewing yet more false equivalency just before, he went on a rant about how it's "insane" that the lunatic shooter could get hold of a weapon. Loesch had just said the laws were tight enough, which seems to have infuriated Gergen who repudiated it with comments about how Arizona had just loosened their laws.

His very last word was simply: "Tuscon".

When AC360 puts the transcript online I'll add it. Waiting for someone to upload the video too.

As it was a live 2 hour show the transcript probably won't go online within the editing period of this OP. Check here for it later: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/acd.html

[MichaelHarris]

1. 3 concealed

weapon holders when the Congresswoman got shot and not one used their weapon in defense. Concealed carry doesn't stop anything! Criminals have their gun out and ready which means when a gunman approaches you, you loose your money and your gun.

[TheWraith]

2. Except studies have shown that's simply not true.

You're repeating falsehoods.

[Turborama]

3. "Studies have shown" that Dana Loesch is full of shit and works for Andrew Brietbart. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. What do studies say about all those people who shot back in Tucson on Sat?

That was awesome how they disarmed the shooter and kept him from killing anyone.

Oh wait a minute . . .

[krispos42]

12. You got want you wanted.

Nobody in the crowd was carrying a concealed pistol except the guy with criminal intent. Nobody fired back. It was as if concealed carry and handguns were illegal.

[PavePusher]

10. So, one incident is indicative of how it will always play out?

To bad documented reality takes your invalid claims and shits down their necks.

[X_Digger]

13. How about..

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/16/ap/national/main7157952.shtml

As they were trying to tie up the store owner, he took out a handgun from his waistband and fatally shot one of the suspects, Smith said.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/628167/man-at-atm-fires-back-at-would-be-armed-robber

According to police, the man was attempting to use a Cash Points ATM on Eastway Drive at North Tryon Street around 11 p.m. A suspect seemingly saw that as an opportunity and tried to rob the victim at gunpoint.

However, that victim was also armed. He shot the suspect twice in the leg.

http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=12299813

CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) - Cincinnati Police are investigating a shooting where it appears a robber left the scene with the victim's cell-phone in his hand, and a slug from the victim's gun in his lower abdomen.

Police say the robber ran into someone with a concealed-carry permit, and at some point the would-be victim was able to get his gun out and shoot the suspect, who took off running from the shooting scene on Rosemont Avenue south of Glenway in West Price Hill.

[shadowrider]

15. Rule: Be sure of your target and what is beyond

Perhaps they didn't fire simply because there was a great probability they might miss and hit an innocent bystander. Had this guy been firing with his back against a brick wall, the situation might have been resolved with return gunfire.

I know I won't pull the trigger if there's a possibility an innocent behind my target could be hit if I miss.

[NewMoonTherian]

16. Concealed carry....

stopped my grandfather and, on another occasion, my uncle from being killed. I understand what you're saying, and it stands to reason flawlessly. However, it doesn't reflect observable reality. I have undeniable evidence that having immediate access to a gun saves lives.

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[Turborama]

7. She rolled her eyes when Gergen exploded.

It was like he'd just verbally slapped her in the face.

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. She's just vile

One of the local bloggers I read has written volumes about her. Rules don't apply to Dana. She's her own biggest fan.

[krispos42]

9. I doubt that concealed carry lowered crime very much the past 15 years

There are several factors that explain the drop in crime, according to the authors of "Freakonomics"

• The legalization of abortion in 1973 reduced the size of the portion of the population most likely to commit violent crime. Instead of women being forced to give birth and raise children in a social environment likely to result in those children becoming some sort of criminal, the zygotes were terminated instead. The next generation of violent criminals was much smaller.
  
  
• The Clinton Administration's COPS program put over 50,000 federally-funded new officers on the streets. The Bush Administration, of course, began defunding the program in about 2004.
  
  
• Several states, including the biggest, California, began instituting "3-strike-and-you're-out" laws. Keeping criminals locked up for long periods of time does lower the crime rate, after all.
  

However, the bloodbaths we were warned about when concealed carry laws were liberalized in dozens of states also failed to materialize.

[PavePusher]

11. Is crime up or down in Tucson?

Got stats?

[Callisto32]

14. So one crime proves something?

I believe the term is "statistically insignificant."