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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:26 AM
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The Sad Death of Gun Control


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There is of course one thing we can squarely and firmly place the blame for these killings on, aside from Loughner himself: The handgun he used to carry them out. Arizona essentially has no gun laws. Loughner committed no crime when he purchased the gun, no crime when he loaded it, and no crime when he carried it to the Safeway. He was obviously crazy to virtually everybody who encountered him in recent months except for the dealer who sold him the gun. He was too crazy for community college, but not too crazy to buy a Glock.

But—aside from a heroic effort on the part of MSNBC that seemed to begin around 1 p.m. today—no one's even bothering to put up a heartfelt argument about whether we should consider enacting barriers to the purchase of semi-automatic weapons by plainly insane people. It's a dead debate, lost long ago. No one's going to listen to gun control advocates, so what's the point? It's more fun, and less politically verboten, to talk about whether or not open hatred and violent rhetoric is appropriate in our politics.

It's a perverse surrogacy. The reason six people were killed on Saturday is that Loughner had access to a firearm. But a consensus has emerged that preserving access to firearms for the public at large is worth the occasional mass killing because the alternative—registering firearms, requiring competency evaluations before selling them—is too onerous. So instead we fight about whether a subsidiary reason may have involved nasty things some people said, because there is no consensus that restricting our freedom to say nasty things to and about one another is too much of a burden.

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:27 AM
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1. A person who is recognized as crazy by everyone around him calls for mental health care
Not gun control.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:28 AM
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2. Chock full of falsehoods, which is fairly typical these days
If we don't have the facts, we will just make some up
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:31 AM
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3. Care to point them out?
How about just one?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:53 PM
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14. Sure
Article: Arizona essentially has no gun laws

Fact: Arizona fully complies with Federal gun laws with require a background check on any handgun purchase from an FFL.

Also note that the article in its full form absolves Palin etc from any responsibility for encouraging this kind of thing. Do you agree with that as well

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:36 AM
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4. Gungeoneers are touchy this week. So is the Right.
Funny that.

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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:40 AM
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5. LOL!!!!
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 11:45 AM by virginia mountainman
Gun Control is dead...I can live with that!!

I am also enjoying how in the comments of that article, the writer gets eviscerated by just about everyone!!

Just like in the rest of the US, don't expect B.S. Gun Control crap to even go by without being throughly challenged by people who know the subject at hand far better than the writer!

How embarrassing for them!!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:09 PM
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7. You're the one LOL'ing at death, due to lack of reasonable gun control.
Why aren't you embarrassed?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:10 PM
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8. That's the weight guns have vs. human lives -- they simply "LOL' when the blood's still wet
n/t
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:24 PM
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9. Yep, they learned that from Reagan. He was one of the first to laugh when
Edited on Tue Jan-11-11 12:25 PM by Zoeisright
accused some something horrendous and evil. Now the gun porn crowd is doing the same thing.
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virginia mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:33 PM
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10. no actully I am LOLing at you.. nt
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:36 PM
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12. Why?
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:35 PM
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11. Typical response! LOL
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Marengo Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 11:42 AM
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6. Control as defined in the OP? A wecomed death. N/T
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:40 PM
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13. Great post! It will be slammed here because....
This forum is mostly gun lovers who do not care about any other democratic issues, if you check most of their posts they never comment on Obama or health care or any other progressive topics. They love hanging out here because they love guns and arguing with dems about guns.
I see a huge insecurity issue with people who need to carry guns around. Make them feel tougher and makes them feel special. they do not give a shit about the 2nd but it is their excuse for supporting guns.
But keep posting this stuff here, they need to hear it and realize that they are wrong.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-11 12:54 PM
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15. It is slammed because its nonsense
Read the cited article...
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