Are you a member of the NRA?

[demsrule4life]

Pro gun folks are you or aren't you.

[demsrule4life]

1. I'm not a member

never have been and I don't give a crap about Nugent and the rest of them. Just because I support gun rights does not mean I have anything to do with the NRA, the Republican party, Nazis, Skin heads or any other kind of slime.

[Dark Star]

15. I don't think you'll get an

argument from a lot of us @ DU or from Edwards, Clark or Kerry.

They each own guns.

I know that Clark is pro-Brady Bill, doesn't like assault weapons for regular folks, but has no designs on people's guns.

Seems reasonable.

:shrug:

[Trajan]

2. Not only No ....

But FUCK no .....

All I want is a little peace and quiet .... a cessation of fear .....

and some reasonable gun regulation in place ....

To protect my children ....

Is that too much to ask of my fellow citizens ? ...

I dont think so ...

[Superfly]

6. As long as it's for the children!!!

Won't somebody pleeeeeeeze think of the children?

:nopity:

[mars_clover]

17. Unfortunately...

All I want is a little peace and quiet .... a cessation of fear .....

and some reasonable gun regulation in place ....

To protect my children ....

Unfortunately, there is never a cessation of fear. One must always live in fear, especially of one's government. The jewel of liberty should always be jealously guarded for fear of it being taken.

With enough "reasonable" gun regulation, what will you use to protect your children from tyranny?

As Ben Franklin said:

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin, Pennsylvania Assembly November 11, 1755

To shirk the obiligation of firearm ownership is to shirk your personal responsiblity for the protection of yourself and your family, in favor of abdicating that responsibility to someone else.

Clover

[MrBenchley]

19. Ahahahahahahahahhaha....

Too frigging funny for words...

"With enough "reasonable" gun regulation, what will you use to protect your children from tyranny?"
Hilariously, those threatening us with tyranny are also the imbeciles pushing this bogus "gun rights" rubbish. And the gun nuts are quite happy to ignore the threat to liberty as long as they can wave their popguns around (hell, their main complaint is that this unelected drunk isn't tyrannical and racist enough to suit them).

[mars_clover]

25. Sad, not funny...

"Too frigging funny for words...

"With enough "reasonable" gun regulation, what will you use to protect your children from tyranny?"
Hilariously, those threatening us with tyranny are also the imbeciles pushing this bogus "gun rights" rubbish. And the gun nuts are quite happy to ignore the threat to liberty as long as they can wave their popguns around (hell, their main complaint is that this unelected drunk isn't tyrannical and racist enough to suit them)."

It's sad that you find this amusing, because it implies that you don't understand the seriousness of the situation. If the day finally dawns when the ballot box cannot oust tyrants like Bush, what tool will you use to oust them?

Clover

[alwynsw]

29. You have learned your lessons well, Grasshopper.

:yourock:

[alwynsw]

30. #30 just to start he flames

[MrBenchley]

62. "when the ballot box cannot oust tyrants like..."

WHO?

"Florida Gov. Jeb Bush thanked the National Rifle Association Saturday for helping elect his brother president in 2000.
NRA support played a key role in several states, including Florida, where the vote was so close that the U.S. Supreme Court eventually had to settle the matter of disputed ballots, and in Tennessee, home state of George W. Bush's Democratic opponent, Al Gore.
"Were it not for your active involvement, it's safe to say my brother would not be president of the United States," the younger Bush said.
The governor said he and his brother both support the NRA's contention that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which contains "the right to bear arms," is an individual right with few restrictions.
"The sound of our guns is the sound of freedom," said Bush, to thunderous applause from the gun group. "

http://www.grassrootsvictories.org/Content.cfm?contentid=430

Oh, THAT pResident Turd.....good thing the RKBA crowd had their popguns handy to prevent that....(snicker)

[Superfly]

3. I was at one time....

but have since changed to organizations that more closely support my ideas of conservation and the right to keep and bear arms. I now donate to the Sierra Club and Ducks Unlimited among others.

[demsrule4life]

12. I agree

I would love to have been a member of the NRA forty years ago.

[MrBenchley]

22. 1963--that wonderful year...

Wonder what gun owners were doing back then?

"In 1963, civil rights activists began an effort to register black voters in Dallas County, Alabama. During 1963 and 1964, although they brought potential voters by the hundreds to the registrar's office in the courthouse in Selma, they were unable to get them registered to vote. In January and February 1965, protests were held in Selma to bring attention to this violation of rights. The protests were met by violence by Sheriff James Clark and his deputies. On February 17, a small civil rights march ended in the shooting of Jimmy Lee Jackson who died from his wounds several days later. The civil rights activists decided to hold a memorial march from Selma to the state capitol in Montgomery on March. 7.
On March 21, the march began again, with federal troops protecting the marchers, and proceeded to Montgomery. In Montgomery, a rally was held on the steps of the state capitol. However, within hours of the end of the march, 4 Ku Klux Klan members shot and killed Viola Liuzzo, a white 39-year-old civil rights volunteer from Detroit, Michigan, who had come to support the Alabama African-Americans. President Lyndon Johnson said, "Mrs. Liuzzo went to Alabama to serve the struggle for justice. She was murdered by the enemies of justice who for decades have used the rope and the gun and the tar and the feather to terrorize their neighbors." "

http://www.usdoj.gov/kidspage/crt/voting.htm

"1963 -- Civil rights leader Medgar Evers is killed by a sniper's bullet. . "

http://www.cnn.com/EVENTS/1997/mlk/links.html

"WILLIAM LEWIS MOORE, a postman from Baltimore, was shot and killed during a one-man march against segregation. Moore had planned to deliver a letter to the governor of Mississippi urging an end to intolerance.
APRIL 23, 1963 -- Attalla, Ala.

VIRGIL LAMAR WARE, 13, was riding on the handlebars of his brother’s bicycle when he was fatally shot by white teen-agers. The white youths had come from a segregationist rally held in the aftermath of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church bombing.
SEPTEMBER 15, 1963 -- Birmingham, Ala."

http://t3.preservice.org/T0300238/crMartyrs.htm

[slackmaster]

23. We had guns in my home in 1963

They weren't even kept locked up.

[RoeBear]

26. Those racist bastards would be...

..shocked today, absolutely shocked to find out that now an honest black man can have a permit to carry a concealed weapon (in most enlightened state anyways).

Here's to the passing of Jim Crow gun laws! :toast:

36 down 14 to go

[MrBenchley]

27. Those racist bastards and their descendants ARE the NRA

[RoeBear]

32. Racist bastards and pretty stupid at...

...the same time. Thanks for getting me concealed carry.

[TyroneStryker]

33. Peddle that rubbish elsewhere

[mars_clover]

36. MrBenchley's Logic:

Given: Some firearms owners are and/or were racist.
Conclusion: All NRA members are racist.

Given: Some firearms owners are and/or were racist.
Conclusion: No one should be able to own a firearm.

Brilliant deductions, MrBenchley.

Clover

[demsrule4life]

37. You hit the nail on the head.

[MrBenchley]

38. RKBA logic or whatever it is

No wonder you folks think Mary Rosh is a scientist.

[TyroneStryker]

44. Yeah....Surrrrrrrrrrrrrrre

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[MrSandman]

39. Would that make the ACLU racist...

for defending the Nazi Party('s 1st amendment rights)?

[MrBenchley]

40. Guess that's more of that RKBA "logic"

No wonder you guys think Mary Rosh is a scientist with that sort of "thinking."

Let's not forget that the ACLU ended up on the NRA's idiotic hate list....along with pretty much every other group of decent Americans.

[MrSandman]

41. How about decent civilized logic?

[MrBenchley]

43. Nothing even approaching it among the RKBA crowd

or the gun rights movement.

[alwynsw]

48. Who the hell are you trying to kid?

[MrBenchley]

49. RKBA "logic"...or whatever it is....

"The origin of my shock is the open hostility so many self professed liberals have for Christian religions."

"Tolitarian regiemes can permit large segments of their populace to posess militarialy usefull arms because their minds have already been posioned."

"I didn't say I didn't know who Trent Lott was. I just said I don't know a thing about him, except that he's "pro-gun" of course."

"The presence of a few idiots in Nazi uniforms need not spoil a family outing."

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

"Russ Feingold- Supporter of the Second Amendment! ...They (gun nuts) and I despise Feingold"

"I googled Dennys and Shootings and got back 411 responses.
I'm Thinking that the problem isn't guns but Dennys."

"Guess all those police officers on the street must be low lifes too huh?"

"Frist sure looks pro-gun
has he introduced legislation to repeal any federal firearms laws? It would probably be easy to get it passed what with all of the other pro-gun republicans in office."

"Who is this "RKBA crowd" you keep referring to?
However I will concede that now that I've read it I don't see anything at all wrong with the GOP's platform."

[alwynsw]

51. Go peddle that steaming pantload to

someone who gives a crap

[MrBenchley]

53. The RKBA crowd already tried

I'm just laughing my ass off at the attempt to pass this stuff off as "logic."

[-..__...]

42. The ACLU....

also opposed the McCain-Feingold bill... along with the NRA, Sierra Club and NARAL. Hmmmmm, strange bedfellows, wouldn't you say?

Unless Nugent or LaPierre has done something recently to upset you, enlighten us with some new NRA outrage.

"Mary Rosh" is old news... tiresome, jaded and pointless. Ever hear of Bellesiles, Lipscomb or Rowan? Of course you have. You have your examples, we have ours... comprehende? Gun control from your perspective is a losing issue; like it or not, that's politics.

[alwynsw]

46. Go peddle it to someone who gives a crap

[demsrule4life]

45. Didn't this poll teach you anything at all?

An over welming majority of the regulars on J/PS do not belong to the NRA. Oh I forgot since there are some nut cases running the NRA at this time we are not allowed to support gun rights.

[MrBenchley]

54. One has to wonder

why if they have no stake in the NRA, the RKBA crowd objects so strenuously to the accurate description of the racist imbeciles at the NRA.

After all, I don't give a crap if someone disparages the Young Republicans, the KKK or the Aryan Nation. Hell, I'll join in.

Besides look at all the other non-racist "gun rights" spokesmen, like Larry Pratt...OOPS!

[demsrule4life]

55. What we object to

is the reasoning that since these people are the way they are we should turn anti gun and give ours up.

[slackmaster]

56. I was trying to say exactly that but my response was getting too wordy

Well said, dems.

:toast:

[MrBenchley]

57. If you like your scummy playmates

then you ought to be proud of them.

As for myself, I'd sure as hell think twice before I jumped up and sp;outed the same rhetoric on any subject as David Duke and John AshKKKroft. Especially when that rhetoric is filled with flat-out lies.

Especially if I found out the KKK, Larry Pratt, Pat Buchanan, Trent Lott, David Horowitz, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, the Aryan Nation, Ted Nugent,, Tom DeLay, Bill Frist, and the American Nazi Party were spouting that rhetoric too, and just about every mainstream member of the party I claimed to belong to was under attack by those folks for their support of the opposite position.

[demsrule4life]

58. Jesus Christ it has nothing to do with that

Here is a news flash for you, we don't like the same people that you don't like. But we are not going to change our views just because YOU don't like them.

[MrBenchley]

59. The hell it doesn't.....

They're your playmates, dems. All I do is point out who the RKBA crowd's climbed into beddy-bye WITH.

But then I'm also not the one posting right wing gibberish from Newsmax and John Stossel and slurring every Democrat whose name gets mentioned, either. Who was that some months ago claiming Ed Asner was a communist, I wonder?

[slackmaster]

60. Introducing: The Fallacy of One Bed

It's a flavor of Guilt By Association: If you happen to agree on one issue with someone who is a scumbag, you must "in bed" with the scumbag.

The possibility that you came to the same conclusion on that one subject as the scumbag independently of the scumbag's writings or speech must be ignored.

[slackmaster]

61. This one is a plain old Straw Man

Nobody here has ever said they like David Duke, John Ashcroft, the KKK, Larry Pratt, Pat Buchanan, Trent Lott, David Horowitz, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, the Aryan Nation, Ted Nugent, Tom DeLay, Bill Frist, or the American Nazi Party.

Not once. But that group might make for an interesting subject for an impersonator show in Las Vegas.

[alwynsw]

50. Picking at nits here

1963 was forty-ONE years ago

[54anickel]

4. No, but I'm on their blacklist. Not sure what you mean by "pro gun"...

That's sort of like using the term "pro-abortionist".

[MrBenchley]

16. I'm on the blacklist too

and proud of it.

AS for "pro-gun," some make a regular fetish of their lethal "toys."

[slackmaster]

18. Let's see a cite to substantiate that claim

"I'm on the blacklist too"

I searched the NRA/Institute for Legislative Action site for your IRL name as well as your handle. Neither are on the list.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15

Would you care to clarify that statement, MrBenchley?

[demsrule4life]

20. At least I managed to do a poll

the first time. :evilgrin:

[alwynsw]

47. What a pantload

[XNASA]

5. The Norwegian Railway Authority?

Hell no! What do I look like? Some kind of train-nut?

[Rowdyboy]

7. No, though we do have guns in the house

Certainly not interested in joining those folks.

[slackmaster]

8. National Railgun Association founding member here

If particle beams are outlawed, only outlaws will have particle beams.

I'll give up my X-ray laser when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

Be sure to see the latest edition of our monthly publication Scientific American Rifleman.

[beevul]

10. I must have missed...

that publication, I was too busy reading "combat phaser quarterly".:evilgrin:

[beevul]

9. Not since I completed gun safety...

training years ago. I got a 1 year membership somewheres around then.


My S-10 had an NRA sticker on it when I got it though.:shrug:

[Superfly]

11. Yeah...my Jeep

has an old faded NRA sticker that I put on there years ago. The damned thing won't come off...

[beevul]

13. That darned...

corrupt dishonest sticker industry!!! :evilgrin:

Edited to add:


Mine wont come off iether, but the AZ desert dust covers it up pretty well.

[Superfly]

14. I'm filing a lawsuit...

nt

[-..__...]

21. Of course.

And I have an NRA sticker on my van to prove it.

Member of GOAL http://goal.org and the GOA http://www.gunowners.org

[alwynsw]

24. No longer a member

I got out when they started going over the edge in the 80's.

Maybe I'm still technically a member. I paid my life member dues back in '72. Who knows?

[JohnLocke]

28. No.

[Baclava]

31. Used to be...NRA & GOA

Of course, I used to be a Greenpeace member too...but now my retirement fund gets all my donations.

[TyroneStryker]

34. I'm a member

Without them, the antis would have ruined freedom years ago.

[IndianaGreen]

35. Life Member

Why should the Right be the only one that is armed?

[alwynsw]

52. The best lesson here is

Superfly and demsrule4life are poopie heads.

neener neener neener