Joe Wilson 'You Lie' Slogan Etched Onto Line Of Assault Rifle Components

[sufrommich]

Rep. Joe Wilson's (R-S.C.) health care-era "you lie" interruption of President Obama is now reportedly being commemorated with a place on a new, limited edition line of assault rifle components.

The Columbia Free Times reports that the words are being engraved on a series of lower receivers manufactured for popular AR-15 assault rifles. Lower receivers are one of the primary pieces of the firearms.

"Palmetto State Armory would like to honor our esteemed congressman Joe Wilson with the release of our new 'You Lie' AR-15 lower receiver," the weapon manufacturer's site writes on the product description. "Only 999 of these will be produced, get yours before they are gone!"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/11/joe-wilson-you-lie-assault-rifle_n_807644.html

The Republicans obsessed with the rhetoric of violence? Why, who would say such a thing?

[somone]

1. Do they have a "Tree of Liberty" edition too?

[sufrommich]

3. Next will be bullets with Obama's name on them. All in good

fun,mind you.

[dhill926]

2. not to worry......

assault rifles are just used for deer hunting.......

[jimlup]

6. Yeah you never know when a hunted deer

is going to turn around and committee felonious assault.

[PavePusher]

46. See post #44. n/t

[tavalon]

4. Not only is that in bad taste, but it is very bad timing, to boot.

[Kurovski]

5. Gosh. Hmmm...who was it who Joe just had to yell at?

Oh, that's right. The President of the United States.

I guess that firearm is now super-charged against what they call "tyranny".

Do they think this is not easy to figure out?

[rucky]

7. heh heh - "lower receiver"

is that where the shaft meets the butt?

gun parts are funny

[DissedByBush]

51. Hehe, he said "receiver"

But this is what they're talking about:



That is the serial-numbered part of an AR-15 and legally defines the rifle for the government's purposes. It contains the trigger and mechanism, and the parts that differentiate it between semi-auto and selective fire.

The upper receiver goes on top, hinged on that little loop on the right, and contains the bolt, gets the barrel attached to it, etc.

That little hunk of metal can easily go for over $200.

[Statistical]

8. Palmetto State Armory sells no assault rifles to civilians.

Then again facts are optional in any anti-gun discussion.

Sales of new assault rifles to civilians is prohibited by the 1986 amendment to the National Firearm Act.

[Electric Monk]

12. Mind if I call them AR-15 warm kisses?

Would that make them more, or less, of a weapon than AR-15s actually are?

[Statistical]

14. AR-15 is a moderately low powered rifle.

It is no more or less dangerous than a "traditional hunting rifle". It does happen to look scary which is why they were banned despite almost never being used in crime.

[NewMoonTherian]

57. I would prefer that you call them what they actually are.

One would think you'd want to seem as knowledgeable as possible in a topic on which you're trying to sway opinion.

[dhill926]

13. who is the market for these weapons?

[Statistical]

15. Hunters (in larger calibers although some do hunt w/ 5.56mm). Competitive Shooters.

The lighter calibers make a good varmint rifle.

They could be used for self defense but other weapons are better suited.

[AlabamaLibrul]

17. Ah, yes, the hunters and competitive shooters who want Joe Wilson's words etched on the gun

But I guess you see no problem with this.

[Statistical]

19. I think it is trashy but I also support the right for KKK to publish books.

Doesn't mean I will buy either.

Still I was just pointed out how loose facts are in "journalism" when it comes to firearms. No company has sold an assault rifle to a civilian in the United States in over 25 years.

[dhill926]

21. thanks for the response.....

still confused about why assault rifles are needed to hunt.

Also, this from Wikipedia about current legality of this rifle:

"There are no restrictions on the ownership of AR-15 rifles in the United States. During the period 1994–2004 variants with certain features such as collapsible stocks, flash suppressors, and bayonet lugs were prohibited for sales to civilians by the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, with the included Assault Weapons Ban. Included in this was a restriction on the pistol grip that protrudes beneath the stock, which was considered an accessory feature under the ban and was subject to restrictions. Some rifles were manufactured with a grip not described under the Ban installed in its place. Those AR-15s that were manufactured with those features were stamped, "Restricted Military/Government/Law Enforcement/Export Only" as well as the accompanying full capacity magazines. The restrictions only applied to guns manufactured after the ban took effect. It was legal to own, sell, or buy any gun built before 1994. Hundreds of thousands of pre-ban ARs were sold during the ban as well as new guns redesigned to be legal.
Since the expiration of the Federal AWB in September 2004,<19> these features became legal in most states.<20> Since the expiration of the ban the manufacture and sale of then-restricted rifles has resumed completely.
At least two states regulate possession of AR-15 rifles either by the restriction of certain features or outright bans of certain manufacturers' models. For example: the A3 tactical carbine pictured above is legal for sale and possession in the United States generally, but is illegal for sale in California."

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. They are not assault rifles. n/t

[dhill926]

24. they seem to have been included in the....

Assault Weapon ban. Is semi-automatic more accurate?

[friendly_iconoclast]

27. Yes. *Those* have been around for over a century.

[Statistical]

29. Assault weapon is not an assault rifle.

Assault rifle = automatic, military grade weapon. Used by every armed forces in the world as primary infantry weapon system.

Assault Weapon = made up term for "scary black rifles". Intentionally chosen to confuse and mislead. No more or less dangerous than a traditional looking rifle (wooden stock).

The AWB banned weapons based on comsmetics not functionality. It would be like banning spoilers to prevent speeding. A sportscar is a profesional vehicle right? Strapping a spoiler on a Honda Civic doesn't make it any faster. Nobody would be fooled that a civic + spoiler = sportscar.

The AWB was a joke. A feel good, do nothing bill that had no effect on crime.

[X_Digger]

31. "Assault Rifle" vs "Assault Weapon"..

It's a subtle difference that many folks don't pick up on.

"Assault Rifles" are full-auto or select-fire, and are highly regulated.

"Assault Weapons" are semi-automatic.

That closeness of terminology? Wasn't coincidental.

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." — Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

[Statistical]

23. Nobody uses an assault rifle to hunt. That is the point.

Nobody has sold an assault rifle to a civilian in the last 25 years.


AR-15 is a civilian sporting rifle. It is no more or dangerous than any other rifle. It looks scary so a do nothing bill called it an "assault weapon (notice not assault rifle) and banned them. This made it the most popular rifle in the United States.

[dhill926]

26. but you can use extended magazines,

is that correct? I'm still not sure why those are needed for hunting.

[Statistical]

28. They are highly accurate, extremely well made.

They are standardized, can be purchased in a variety of calibers. This makes them very versatile. If on a budget you can have a self defense weapon, hunting rifle, and target practice rifle on the same platform.

Nothing is "NEEDED". Hell you can hunt with a spear. No firearm is NEEDED. They are highly capable firearms and thus very popular.

As far as extended magazine. The weapon has a magazine port. A magazine is inserted and ammo is fed from the magazine into the weapon via a spring. There is no methods to only allow a 15 round magazine but not a 30 round magazine.

[dhill926]

32. well, thanks for this info.....

I saw where they can accept up to a 100 round magazine.

[X_Digger]

37. They could accept an infinite round magazine..

.. just like almost all firearms that take detachable magazines.

I don't have one of these, but they are available- this is a 50 round drum magazine for a 1911 handgun.

[RSillsbee]

39. If things are that bad

You need to be callin' for some fire support

[PavePusher]

55. When seconds count...

Arty is only minutes away.

[PavePusher]

33. And basically no-one will use normal capacity mags for hunting.

They will use dedicated 5-round or less)-only hunting magazines in compliance with hunting laws in nearly every state. Then, when they go to the range, or to target shooting competitions or whatever, they will go back to normal-capacity magazines.

[JoeyT]

40. Technically it's not an assault rifle

it doesn't have a selector switch to make it fully automatic. It's not legal to sell one with a selector switch to civilians. (Not a new one anyway) So instead of firing constantly, you have to do all the extra work of pulling the trigger. And you can even legally order http://www.sportsmans-depot.com/products/MAG-SGMT-AR15-223-DRUM-100RD-with-POUCH.html">drums that let you pull the trigger a hundred times without reloading and mount a http://www.crimsontrace.com/Home/MilitaryProducts/VF302/tabid/344/Default.aspx">laser sight so you don't have to aim. Both those links take you to places selling the items in question, so you can see for yourself how hard they are to obtain.

So basically it's not actually any less dangerous than an actual military grade weapon. Pointing out that it isn't an actual assault rifle is either being pedantic, which is completely understandable, or an attempt to make it sound like a regular .30-06 or .30-30 hunting rifle. It's not. You can't buy hundred round drums for those.

[Statistical]

43. It is less dangerous than military version because it doesn't have select fire capability.

If full-auto rifles are no more dangerous than semi-auto rifles I guess we should repeal the 1986 ban and 1934 NFA.

"regular .30-06 or .30-30 hunting rifle"
AR-15 comes in a wide variety of calibers. It IS a "regular" hunting rifle. They are the most common rifles sold today.

[JoeyT]

53. I wouldn't much care about repealing that ban.

As long as they banned clips over the capacity generally used for hunting. A twentieth of a second of full auto before reloading isn't gonna impress anybody.

And yes, if you're firing at a crowd and you can shoot a hundred times, the point is pretty much lost on them. If anything you might be able to kill more people, not less. After all, you'd be aiming your shots. No bullets traveling between people or multiples of bullets hitting the same target.

I'm not against AR-15s (Though I didn't like them when I shot one.) I object to the stuff available for them. That's what makes them different from the average .30-06. Most of those you can't buy hundred round drums for.

[PavePusher]

44. Really?

"an attempt to make it sound like a regular .30-06 or .30-30 hunting rifle. It's not."

Which of the following, pray tell, is not a legitimate hunting rifle, and why? Which ones are the most powerful, and why?


http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/bolt-action-model-seven.aspx

http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/pump-action-model-7600.aspx

http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/autoloading-model-750.aspx

http://www.remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/autoloading-model-r-25.aspx

[JoeyT]

52. How powerful they are depends on what they're chambered for.

Those are all hunting rifles with mostly larger bullets than an AR-15. Power isn't what makes a hunting rifle not a hunting rifle. I wouldn't claim an American-180 was a hunting rifle, and it shoots .22 ammo. Looks don't do it either. I've got a Remington 1100 that looks scarier than any of those.

The point I was trying to make is that you can't buy a 100 round drum for any of those. I don't object to guns, I own quite a few, including the predecessor to one of those you linked to. I object to guns that take magazines with insane capacities which are only useful if you want maximum body count before you have to reload and give the crowd a chance to tackle you. It's not really the AR-15 I'm objecting to, it's the high capacity magazines. If they couldn't sell those for it, I wouldn't care. I've fired an AR-15 and didn't find it particularly impressive.

Not a real part of the answer:
I'm going to go ahead and claim the 750 synthetic is not a valid hunting weapon because I despise synthetic guns when they make them look like a cheap plastic toy you'd buy at Wal-Mart. I'm sure it's a good gun, but they couldn't have made that any uglier if they'd put a goatse stamping on the stock. It might have actually helped it.

[PavePusher]

54. They do make hunting-legal magazines for the AR rifles.

5-rounds or less is the usual, varies slightly by state. They also make AR's in excellent hunting calibers.

Just because you can get 100-round mags doesn't mean you plan to go on a killing spree. As for what they might be useful for, well, the Second Amendment isn't about hunting, so the remaining reasons seem obvious.

[onehandle]

25. Surprise. Gungeoneer here to defend the indefensible.

Tell us how those gunsites in Queen Palin's propaganda were surveying symbols.

[PavePusher]

45. Tell us that some Dem websites didn't use the same type of symbology.

Fairness Doctrine, amiright?

[beevul]

48. Speaking of surveyor symbols...

Have you called the brady bunch yet and asked them to tone down THIER rhetoric?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ll5chfz1qFU/TStwRdnuNtI/AAAAAAAAGnQ/zUpilOIOZO0/s1600/ScreenHunter_05+Jan.+10+15.44.jpg

I mean...hell...those crosshairs are pointing at CHILDREN.

So, are you going to call them or are we all just going to hear:

[one-eyed fat man]

58. Bullseyes are nothing like crosshairs.

The implication is nowhere similar.

[Hoopla Phil]

60. You mean like these?

From the 2004 DLC:

[grasswire]

9. this just sickens me

I hope authorities keep track of the identity of those who purchase these *special* guns.

[GreenStormCloud]

35. No, they don't.

Very few states require any kind of firearms registration. And those "special" guns aren't really so special. Every kind of gun has some kind of hostile term that gun-banners have made up for it to make it sound like people shouldn't have it.

[tom_paine]

10. Everything seems to be happening right on time. If you want to escape before it gets

really bad, you probably have less than 20 years to do it.

Just so you know. Those 20 years'll blink on by before you know it.

Don't get caught by surprise. The dark shadow of RW totalitarianism is coming. It's hiding, as usual behind acusations that it's the LIBERALS who are actually the totalitarians.

Same thing the Nazis did to the Jews with their propaganda, essentially.

Works as well todaya s it did then, I see.

[Kurovski]

30. Tom, I sure do miss you.

Please stop in more often.

[tom_paine]

41. Given the, ahem, Obama Situation, it's hard to hang around here

Plus, the less I follow the stuff the happier I am.

Unfortunately, this awful tragedy and the usual lunatic RW propaganda offensive (in more ways that one) counterstrike, so beyond over-the-top and inappropriate, so "take no prisoners" shamelessly STILL, indicates that the news isn't going to get any better, except maybe in the very short-term as the Crazies get their dog-whistles to cool it and let the RW Lie Machine do it's job.

This tragedy, drew me here to commiserate, but I don't think I can stay. Time will tell and the future is unpredictable, but now we are 10 years into what I think is a 30-year overall process and we have hit every vile RW "checkpoint" in our national demise until the rise of God-Knows-What, now about 20 years away, I think. Give or take a few years, maybe.

If we weren't right on schedule and on target for our tranformation to RW Authoritarinism, with Democratic Leadership continually bowing and scraping before Mitch and Boner and Faux "News" it might be a little more enjoyable, shall we say.

Drop me a PM anytime, Kurovski. I still occasionally check in, and for the moment, I am here more frequently, though who can say how long that will last? But either way, if you PM me, I'll respond next time I swing through.

[Kurovski]

49. Thank you.

I very much appreciate that.

I'm not here as much as in days of yore, but more often these recent days. It's in fits and starts. I don't mind getting pounced every now and then for asking questions of The Man. ;)

Take care in the meantime, Tom. Love your name as always. :D

[onehandle]

11. Virtually designed for assassination.

Nice timing.

[AlabamaLibrul]

18. No, no, no, this is for hunting DEER! Because they lie all the time, and stuff.

[PavePusher]

34. Oh, I see. Adding some usage of the First Amendment...

makes it extra-special-deadly-wanted-by-sniper-wannabes, amiright?

Seriously, it's distasteful, but don't go hyperbolic over it.

[onehandle]

36. Defend away.

It's the technicalities that count.

[bossy22]

42. you have just destroyed your own point

[PavePusher]

47. See post #44. n/t

[one-eyed fat man]

59. Learning technical skills counts for something.

The milling machine in the basement is not CNC so The Machinist's Bedside Reader is pretty handy. It's is amazing what you can find inside a chunk of 7075-T6 aluminum after you make a bunch of chips.

Not everyone qualifies to join the Professional Organization of English Majors.

[intheflow]

16. It looks like the manufacturer has scrubbed their website of this item.

The link in HuffPo's article comes up 404.

[Waiting For Everyman]

20. There are political guns, but no such thing as political violence.

Right.

[jwirr]

38. Just another subtle threat against our president. Damn them.

[guitar man]

50. yee haw!!

" Hey, y'know what we could do to get all them libruls undies in a wad? We could make some rifle parts with *you lie!* on there, you know, like 'ol Joe Wilson hollered at Obummer? Now wouldn't that be fun, and we can advertise 'em on our Glen Beckkk radio ad....ooh, this is gonna piss 'em off good!"

Disgusting? Yes. Surprising? no. Undies in a wad?....let me check. Nope

somewhere every day in Murka there are some stupid rednecks dying to pull a more disgusting trick than the rednecks the day before them. It's getting so predictable and boring.... *yawn*

[Euromutt]

56. Maybe an Illinois gun manufacturer can make an AR lower with Wilson's apology

Something like "Joe Wilson: inappropriate and regrettable" ought to do it.

That said, I honestly can't get worked up over this. It's just another AR lower, only it happens to bear the only noteworthy utterance made by a Republican from South Carolina since Strom Thurmond's 1957 filibuster. Like statistical said in post #19, "it's trashy but I also support the right for KKK to publish books; doesn't mean I'll buy either."