Is it "clip" or "magazine." I thought they were interchagable. Somebody's

[mistertrickster]

trying to tell me that the proper term is magazine.

I feel like handing them a Playboy . . . magazine.

[geckosfeet]

1. Better yet -

hand it to me.

:evilgrin:

[shadowrider]

2. Magazine

A (removeable) magazine feeds ammo to the action.

A clip feeds ammo to a fixed magazine.

[mistertrickster]

4. Interesting . . . never heard that distinction before. Makes sense. nt

[Democracyinkind]

5. Why would your "poster" refer to Hitler as a gun control advocate?

The only measure the Nazis ever took in the direction of Gun-Control was the slight expansion of a law created under the Weimar Republic. Struck me as strange...

[old mark]

8. Both the Nazis and the Soviets had gun confiscation and very strict

ownership laws for private citizens...If you were not politically connected, you didn't have any weapons.


mark

[Democracyinkind]

17. Can you source your claim

of gun-confiscation by the Nazis?

I can think of at least some people who weren't "politically connected" and kept their weapons through the whole 12 years. I've never heard of non-specific gun confiscation against people considered subjects to the state.

Of course I know that they confiscated on the front; that seems to be another question to me. But I've never in my life heard of Nazi gun-sweeps in all my years reading about them.

[old mark]

33. Try here:

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf



mark

[Democracyinkind]

35. I'll read that, although I find the author to be an incompetent "historian"

-> I work at a University where citing his books isn't recommended. His book about the Swiss contained some inexcusable blunders, such as a complete lack of familiarity with the most recent scholarship on the evolution of the German war plan. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt; although I usually don't read "history" written by interested parties - I prefer real historians. But I'll give it a shot...

But I'll read through the whole 55 pages to see if the Nazis pursued a large-scale confiscation after 1933, something I don't believe and can't imagine. If he can cite examples or give sources for these kinds of claims I'll be happy to change my mind.

[shadowrider]

9. Ask the previous residents of the Warsaw ghetto.

They'll tell you all their weapons were confiscated before they were brutally slaughtered with no way to defend themselves. That is, if you can find a survivor.

[Democracyinkind]

19. The Warsaw Ghetto doesn't seem equivalent to me. Of course they would disarm the people they planned

to kill.

I've never heard of confiscations (at least on a larger scale) by the Nazis against people considered subjects.

[Statistical]

23. You are correct. Many jews didn't own guns and they lobbied heavily for gun control

before the Nazi came to power. They believed (horribly incorrect) that a country free of guns (or only in the hands of agents of the state) would provide a measure of protection.

The Nazi didn't have to do mass confiscations because very few Jews (and other undesirables) were armed. The military was armed, the Police was armed, the civilians not so much. This worked out perfectly when the Nazi came to power and made "orderly" roundups and exterminations possible. The Nazi expanded gun ownership but only to people they trusted. Most of German populace remained unarmed. Easily controlled and those who opposed the Nazi in theory never dared put that opposistion into practice.

http://jtf.org/israel/israel.why.jews.must.oppose.gun.control.htm

[Democracyinkind]

30. I agree. That sounds about correct.

That's the way I remembered it. Although I'm always quite skeptical about the claim that there weren't that many guns going around in Germany under the Weimarer Republic. Whenever I read sources from the time, people are shooting each other constantly - and I've never read about a civil war in Europe in the 20th century that didn't involve guns :-)

But yes, I understand the point. People overtly criticizing the Regime or people denounced were taken care of, and I bet they weren't allowed to bring their guns to jail or the concentration camps. In that sense Hitler was pro-gun control. But such measures do not seem like what is normally understood as "gun control" in my view. "Gun control" to me always meant something along the line of "legislating restrictions on possession of guns and strictly enforcing them".... Anyway; thanks for the additional details.

[Statistical]

31. No problem it is a false or at best misleading meme used by pro RKBA people.

It tends to not have much factual basis so it weakens the argument.

A much stronger argument is what is taken by JPFO today. Without firearms resistance is impossible. That isn't to say with firearms resistance is successful however one would imagine those people herded into ovens and gas chambers would have preferred armed resistance even if it was futile. If nothing else it would have diverted resources, and material from the front lines and hastened the fall of Axis.

[lawodevolution]

39. Were people shooting each other often in Haiti?

0.6 guns per 100 people in Haiti,
3 guns per 100 people in China

compare that to 90 guns per 100 people in the USA.

[RSillsbee]

40. Of course they would disarm the people they planned to kill.

Read that again and let it sink in

[Glassunion]

32. Actually, they put up a hell of a fight. With pistols.

“The Jews have actually succeeded in making a defensive position of the Ghetto. Heavy engagements are being fought there . . . . It shows what is to be expected of the Jews when they are in possession of arms.” THE GOEBBELS DIARIES: 1942–1943 350–51 (1948).

The end result was the same, however there were many who were able to escape and join the resistance.

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising proved that Jews with only a few pistols could stop deportations, resist German troops, and escape to join the resistance in the forest. See http://www.amazon.com/Memoirs-Warsaw-Ghetto-Fighter-Kazik/dp/0300093764

[Statistical]

16. One slight clarification a clip feeds ammo into either a fixed OR external magazine.

Stripper clip for M16 external magazine

[Statistical]

3. The proper term is magazine.

Technically if you ask the US ARMY it is an detachable external box magazine.

A weapon could have an internal magazine (in which ammo is loaded manually a good example is a pump shotgun). A weapon can have an external magazine in which the entire magazine is loaded into the weapon. "Box" is used to differentiate from other types of magazines like drums.

Still if you use clip most people know what you are talking about. If you want to be accurate use term magazine. If you are in basic training and call it a clip it will be a very bad day for you. :)



The weapon in the photo has a FIXED INTERNAL. It can't be removed from the weapon. A stripper clip is used to speed the loading of that fixed magazine.


Somewhat snarky illustration


Slightly more snarky


Even more snarky

[mistertrickster]

14. Ahh, got it. My M1 rifle has a clip. My M1 carbine has a magazine.

Actually, I don't have an M1 carbine YET (dammit), but some day . . .

[littlewolf]

27. me too ... would love to get one .....

[mistertrickster]

36. Southern Ohio Gun has them for 695. Since I want to stay married, I have not opted

to shell out for one, heh.

On edit--They've been re-patriated from the Israelis.

Here's a link, but you may need to have a log-in to see it.

http://www.southernohiogun.com/skin/frontend/sog/default/images/media/sog_issue228.pdf

I'd obtain a C&R license from the BATF if you don't have one already. It's only 30 bucks for three years and you'll get it back by not having to go through an O1 FFL (gun dealer) on your first purchase.

[littlewolf]

38. thanks .... appreciate it .....

[mistertrickster]

20. BTW, the first military weapon shown, what is that? A mauser? nt

[Statistical]

24. I believe it is a Soviet Mossin-Nagant but I could be wrong.

The style is common for WWII battle rifles fielded by many different countries.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

28. It's a Samozaryadnyj Karabin Sistemy Simonova... commonly known as the SKS.

See the gap between the trigger and the magazine. Also the bolt/spring dustcover and rear sight trunion are a dead giveaway.

I had to a doubletake when I saw it was you who posted that... I mean, c'mon... it's an SKS!

[Statistical]

29. I knew someone would know. Thanks.

[-..__...]

34. Delete.

[benEzra]

37. It's an SKS (Samozaryadnyj Karabin sistemy Simonova 1945)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKS

[RamboLiberal]

6. Lazy news writers & talking heads & pols

continually make mistakes with magazine, "service revolver" and "auto pistol".

Monday night I wanted to bang head when a former ATF official (I think it was on Rachel) talked about his issue Glock 19 as his "service revolver".

[mistertrickster]

10. Yeah, I caught that one too. Revolver? What the hell revolves with a semi-auto pistol? nt

[old mark]

7. A "clip" is a spring steel device that holds rounds of ammunition to be loaded usually

into a rifle, such as this:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG246-36.html

A magazine is a container that holds the ammunition and is loaded into a handgun or rifle, as with the infamous Glock from Arizona...Like this:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG272-36.html


"Magazine" is used as container for ammunition, as in powder magazine for old muzzle loading cannon. Definitions here;

http://www.answers.com/topic/magazine


mark

[mistertrickster]

25. Thanks for the link. I actually need exactly this kind of clip! nt

[CountAllVotes]

11. melt all of that crap down

Problem solved. No one should even KNOW :wtf: a "magazine" is.

[Statistical]

15. Thankfully you are in an extreme minority and it takes a super majority

to amend the Constitution. Even the the SCOTUS has state the right to keep and bear arms predates the Constitution and doesn't rely on the Constitution for its existence.

If you don't like legal guns move to Mexico. Civilians are prohibited from owning firearms. Very safe place.

[mistertrickster]

18. Commie! (heh)

[PavePusher]

21. Yeah, that'll work... Freekin' seriously?

I got you a pink unicorn, too.

[Uben]

12. The difference in a nutshell.......

...a clip is a video of something we post to show how ignorant republicans are. A "magazine" would be something where we read about how ignorant republicans are!

I like my definitions better! He he!

[PavePusher]

22. O.K., that was funny...! n/t

[mistertrickster]

26. Good one! nt

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

13. A "magazine" is generally a spring-loaded detachable box or container which feeds a firearm.

A "clip" or "stripper-clip" is generally quite literally a clip that holds bullets together for easy insertion to a magazine (either a detachable magazine that is inserted into the gun or a magazine that is built integrally into the firearm). And some guns use neither magazines or clips... but must be loaded one indiviual round at a time.

Common guns which use the following methods (google for pics/info):
Magazines... AR15, M16, AK47, 1911, Glock Pistols
Clips... M1 Garand, SKS, Mauser C96
Hand Loaded... Double barrel shotguns, Colt Single Action, Winchester 94, Remington 700