McCarthy Bill Would Ban Common Self-Defense Magazines (More than 10 rounds? Fuggetaboutit)

[shadowrider]

Friday, January 21, 2011


On Tuesday, Jan. 18, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) introduced H.R. 308, the "Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act." The bill would ban the manufacture and importation of new magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Unlike the magazine ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004, her new bill would also make it illegal for the tens of millions of Americans who already own these magazines to sell or otherwise transfer them, even through inheritance.

In a letter to her colleagues, Rep. McCarthy claimed, "The only reason for the existence of these devices is to be able to shoot as many people as quickly as possible." Yet her bill would allow the continued acquisition and possession of these magazines by law enforcement officers, who carry firearms to defend themselves and the public. It would even allow these magazines to be transferred to law enforcement officers upon retirement, even though a retired officer's right to use firearms for self-defense is the same as any other private citizen's right.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6139

[shadowrider]

1. She does more to further 2A rights than the NRA could ever do n/t

[X_Digger]

2. That reminds me, need to renew my NRA membership.. done. n/t

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[spin]

4. I would like to see a negative count when I post a pro-RKBA post ...

that way I can visualize how many heads exploded.

[HankyDubs]

6. Christine O'Donnell thanks you!

For contributing to her next senate run!

[beevul]

11. She should be thanking mccarthy. N/T

[HankyDubs]

12. did mccarthy

contribute to O'donnell's campaign? I know the NRA did.

[DonP]

14. That would be the NRA ILA, different organization

By law the NRA itself can't contribute to candidates. That's the role of the NRA/ILA which runs on donations and has no access to the dues that many of us pay to be NRA members. But you knew all that.

[beevul]

15. Now don...

You know better than to challenge the "factose intolerant" (I LOVE that) with facts.

[HankyDubs]

21. oh my

So you just pay dues and offer your support to the organization that ENDORSED Christine O'Donnell. What a distinction!

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. They are a single-issue organization, and endorse per their own rules

You might also note that the NRA gave more to Democrats than all gun control orgs combined.


Considering the alleged popularity of gun control, the gun controllers display a strange inability to direct campaign

donations towards the politicians who share their views.

[beevul]

23. LOL.

"Considering the alleged popularity of gun control, the gun controllers display a strange inability to direct campaign donations towards the politicians who share their views."

You can't donate what you don't have. Its hard to donate when your outfit and its 18 members are operating in practical bankruptcy.

[Ter]

25. They endorse candidates on gun issues only

Christine O'Donnell was outstanding on gun issues, and her opponent, Ken Coons, is terrible on it. Who did you expect them to endorse?

[beevul]

16. No.

But she does have a strange obsession...a habitual tendency...to poke 800 pound gorillas.

[X_Digger]

19. If the ACLU treated the second the way they treat the first, the NRA would lose my money..

Until then? I'll write two checks.

I put my money where my rights are.

[oneshooter]

5. So how would that affect 22 cal tube fed rimfire rifles, Henry Rifles, M66 and M76 rifles? n/t

[X_Digger]

10. They're excluded..

`(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.'.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.308:

[oneshooter]

13. That means that the Henry rifle in 44-40 (repo), 44 Henry Flat(original)

would then be illegal. Also the M1866 in 38WCF( 38-40 Winchester), 32WCF(32-20 Winchester), and 25WCF(25-20 Winchester) would also be illegal, as would the M1873, 1892, and all of the repops of these rifles. ALL of them are chambered for centerfire cartridges and have tube magazines holding from 12-15 rounds.

If they are banned then there will be a LOT of money paid out.(5th Amendment)

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[X_Digger]

20. Yup.. sad, really.

We need to make sure the FUDs know about this :)

[krispos42]

24. So I guess they didn't know that the .17 HMR and .17 HM2 are out there.

Yanno, .22 magnum rimfire and .22 LR cartridges necked down to accept .17-caliber spitzer bullets.

[DonP]

17. Well, in Chicago my Marlin Model 60 is an assault weapon

Even .22 semi auto tube feds are classed as "assault weapons", per Mayor Daley in his infinite wisdom. Ain't gonna get any better with Rahm either I'm guessing. The last thing he wants is a bunch of armed serfs.

Hey, you cheese heads are going to get CCW long before we do!

[oneshooter]

18. I am in Texas, we have had CHL's for 15 years.

[benEzra]

7. And unlike the previous non-ban, this one would put the burden of proof on the owner

to prove that you owned a magazine as of the date of enactment. Can't prove it = felony, from what I understand.

Given that we're talking about standard factory magazines for some of the most popular civilian firearms in the United States, and that she's trying to make potential felons of, oh, 40 million voting-age adults, this is politically a really dumb idea.

And IMO, there should be no exception for bodyguards, non-SWAT LE, and corporate security from such magazine capacity limits. If a civilian gun is "supposedly only useful for mass murder", then LE, corporations, and security shouldn't use them either.

[Euromutt]

9. I entirely agree

The consistent inclusion into gun-banning legislation of exemptions for law enforcement is all the evidence you need to demonstrate that congresscritters like McCarthy, Lautenberg and Schumer don't even believe their own rhetoric.

And yeah, exemptions for any private entity should be out entirely.

[Euromutt]

8. "In 2003, 2005 and 2007, Rep. McCarthy introduced bills..."

"...bills that, like H.R. 308, would have banned magazines that hold more than 10 rounds."

You notice even McCarthy is careful not to introduce such legislation in an election year.

[aikoaiko]

26. Criminalizing the inheritance of 10+ magazines will not go over well among legislators and voters

I know people who are generally opposed to magazines with 30+ capacity who will be against this bill because of not allowing inheritance of already owned magazines.

[shadowrider]

27. I know that, you know that

But we need to encourage her to continue on with this measure. The more she opens her mouth, the more 2A wins.