This one makes me laugh

[bossy22]

Washington, D.C. – U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., said she would introduce this week a bill that would require all states that allow residents to carry concealed weapons in public to have minimum standards for granting permits.

Of the 50 American states, 45 require residents to obtain permits to carry concealed firearms, but the majority of these states would not meet the standard set in Boxer's bill, according to Boxer's office.

Boxer is calling her bill the Common-Sense Concealed Firearms Act of 2011.

“The tragic events in Tucson earlier this month are a reminder of why we need common-sense gun laws," Boxer said. "This measure will establish reasonable permitting standards for Americans who wish to carry concealed firearms.

http://www.theunion.com/article/20110124/BREAKINGNEWS/110129883/1003&parentprofile=1053
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the bill turns every state that has a CCW system into a may-issue

[slackmaster]

1. Appeal to "common sense" automatically flags a bill as authoritarian

It's amazingly consistent.

[X_Digger]

2. Wondered how long it'd take for Boxer to jump in..

Longing for the halcyon days of the 90's when anything that smacks of gun control gets passed as 'reasonable'?

Nostalgia isn't what it used to be..

[shadowrider]

3. Deleted cause I can't read

[Recursion]

5. Look again. It's the "Union", an eastern CA newspaper (nt)

[shadowrider]

7. Thanks. I have to adjust my bifocals n/t

[rrneck]

4. Political grandstanding. nt

[Katya Mullethov]

6. Pressing the point are we ?

She might not like the way that turns out . More green states .

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[KansasVoter]

9. God forbid you actually make someone FIRE the weapon before getting your license! LOL.

[bossy22]

11. but thats not the main point of this bill

the whole point of this bill is to turn all shall issue states into may-issue states- bascially the key provision is that now you must have a "cause" rather than just an up or down approval like most states have now.

I have no problem with a training requirement to get a CCW as long as it is reasonable- what i do have a problem is with showing phsyical proof of a need

the good thing is that this bill won't go anywhere either- and that will be from both sides of the aisle (repugs and dems) since i can't see them having much appetite for tackling an issue that has been regulated at the state level since the 18th centure

[oneshooter]

13. Many states DO require a proficiency test to show ability, including Texas,

It seems that Kansas doesn't require a test.

Best fix your own law, before you bitch about others.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[KansasVoter]

19. Utah does not! And many states honor it! Read more!

[oneshooter]

25. Texas recognizes both Utah and Kansas CHL's. Any problem with that?

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[KansasVoter]

26. LOL....you just insulted yourself.....

You said "Texas requires it" which is NOT TRUE if they allow states that don't to carry there. Wow. You make this too easy.

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[oneshooter]

29. Pay close attention, and concentrate very hard.

To receive a Texas CHL you are required to fire 50 rds at a standard target.


CHL SHOOTING TEST
3 yards, 20 rounds
•1 shot, 2 seconds, 5 times
•2 shots, 3 seconds, 5 times
•5 shots, 10 seconds, 1 time
7 yards, 20 rounds
•5 shots, 10 seconds, 1 time
•2 shots, 4 seconds, 1 time
•3 shots, 6 seconds, 1 time
•1 shot, 3 seconds, 5 times
•5 shots, 15 seconds, 1 time
15 yards, 10 rounds
•2 shots, 6 seconds, 1 time
•3 shots, 9 seconds, 1 time
•5 shots, 15 seconds, 1 time
All strings start from 'low ready'. All shooting may be done with one or two hands. Until 2006, the test was shot using the TXPT target shown in the photos. The 5 point area on the target is approximately 12" across. Starting in 2006 the traditional B27 target will be used for CHL qualification. Both the older TXPT and B-27 targets are of similar size and the scoring zones are roughly the same, with the main difference that the B-27 zones are mid-torso whereas the TXPT 5 point ring was more correctly placed upper-torso where vital organs on a human are actually located. (In our opinion the decision to go backward to the older, less anatomically correct B-27 target is a bad idea). There is no requirement to qualify with the gun you intend to carry. If you qualify with a semi-auto (SA category) you will be allowed to carry either a revolver or semi-auto of any caliber. If you only qualify with a revolver (non-semiauto/NSA category) you cannot legally carry a semi-auto. You get three attempts to pass. A 70% score (175 points) is a passing score, but in our opinion anyone that cannot pass with a 90% score on the first try should seriously consider additional training to improve shooting ability.


You must shoot a 70% score or you can not recieve a Texas CHL.
In Kansas no firearms proficiency test is required.

[pipoman]

32. Don't egg him on....Kansas DOES require a proficiency test

see my post below.

[oneshooter]

30. Out of state requirements for a Texas CHL are the same as resident

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/chlsindex.htm

Check the box on the right side of the page.

"Attention Out of State Applicants
Please be aware that all concealed handgun license courses must be taught in Texas."

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

As fo Kansas out of state permits



"Kansas only issues Non Resident Permit/Licenses to Active Duty Military Personnel and their dependants
stationed in Kansas."

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/kansas.pdf

[Euromutt]

35. Utah has a "Weapon Familiarity Certification" requirement

Admittedly, the curriculum (http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/documents/MTC01032011.pdf) doesn't require live fire, but it covers a sod of a lot of other stuff, including things you really don't need to know for CCW (such as the composition of a shotgun cartridge). The reason the Utah permit is recognized in so many states is because the training requirement is fairly extensive, as are the disqualifying circumstances (no convictions for any violent offenses, domestic or otherwise, or for criminal offenses involving "moral turpitude," for example).

[DissedByBush]

38. Any state is thus free to rescind reciprocity n/t

[pipoman]

31. Kansas does require a range test...

From your link:

A photocopy of a certificate or an affidavit signed by an instructor approved by the attorney general showing completion of an approved training class.


4. To have students display proficiency with a handgun by qualifying during the course with a minimum of 18 of the 25 required rounds striking the scoring portion on an approved target. Page 47

http://www.ksag.org/files/media/concealed-carry/CCHL_Instructor_Guide.pdf

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[Glassunion]

10. If we label something as "Common Sense" or "Reasonable" does that make it better? Let's see....

- Common-Sense Concealed Firearms Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Punch a Kitten Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Blow a Red Light Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Run with Scissors Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Remove the Guard from Circular Saws Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Set Yourself on Fire Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Drive a Hummer Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Duct Tape Your Pubic Hair Act of 2011
- Common-Sense Vote for Palin Resolution of 2011

Seems reasonable to me...

[shadowrider]

12. I think she and McCarthy need to get together in Washington

and get every news outlet there for a presser announcing this to the world.

Imagine how many states would go green.

[spin]

14. "May issue" is another name for racist issue ...

if you are white and wear a suit and a tie or are rich and famous or well connected then YOU get a concealed carry permit.

edited for typo

[Glassunion]

15. Should be called the No Due-Process Act of 2011.

I like the language...
From this article
"Boxer's legislation would require all states that allow residents to carry concealed weapons to establish permitting processes that would include meaningful consultation with local law enforcement authorities to determine whether the permit applicant is worthy of the public trust and has shown good cause to carry a concealed firearm."

From the Brady Campaign
"Thirty-five states force law enforcement to issue permits to carry a concealed handgun in public to anyone who meets certain minimum legal standards. This means that law enforcement officials are forced to issue a permit to carry a handgun even if they have misgivings about the person's ability to be responsible with it in public. This type of law is known as a "shall-issue" law because the police are told they shall issue the permit. "Shall issue" laws strip law enforcement officials of their ability to deny permits even when they have legitimate concerns about the applicant and also strips them of their judgment of how best to protect public safety in their jurisdictions."

My highlights...

I have lived in both "May-Issue" and "Shall-Issue" states.
On a personal level I am unhappy with both states, but for different reasons.

In the may-issue state that I lived in, I was denied a permit for basically no good reason and I had no redress whatsoever, as I was not entitled to know why my permit was declined every year that I had applied. Basically they rubber stamped it with a "denied" however I was never given reason.

This was after I passed the background checks (I had a valid FID card).
Provided all personal information required
Was finger-printed
Provided 4 Photos
Submitted my application fee
Prided Proof of Firearms Training
Provided all required references
Provided proof of need

I do not like that I had no redress.
I do not like that you still have to pay even if you are denied
I do not like that this sort of "power" is given to those who are I feel not qualified to judge who is "worthy"

Now for the shall-issue state that I live in, I went through an overly simple process, with too few(in my opinion) requirements to obtain my permit.

I showed up at my County Sheriff's office.
Filled out the Application
Provided all personal information required
Paid my fee(which you do not pay if you are denied) for the permit
Had my photo taken
I walked out 15 minutes later with my permit.

I do not like that there was no training requirement
I do not like that they did not follow up on my references

There is room for improvement on both sides.

[Katya Mullethov]

20. When filling out this application

Would " Your wife likes it when I dress up like a cowboy " be considered "good cause" under their guidelines ?

I would be inclined to turn in the application thusly ascribed, without the "fee", and just go Full Hupp on the bastards.

[friendly_iconoclast]

21. Babs wants to pretend Heller and McDonald don't exist

Good luck with that!

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17. Ohh... that's a grand idea, Babs.

Grab that ball and run with it.

How much anyone want to bet that this "common sense" package doesn't make any mention, inclusion or requirement of making these enhnaced
CCW licenses reciprocal and to honored in good faith among all 50 states.

[friendly_iconoclast]

22. Let's make sure it becomes popular with those who already like it.

And reviled by everyone else.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

23. Is there authority for this legislation?

generally, CCW does not impact interstate commerce.
This should be an issue decided for idividual states.
What works in Vermont may not necessarily in Illinois.

[PavePusher]

34. Actually, what works in Vermont would work splendidly in Illinois.

It is certain that what works in Illinois doesn't freakin work.

[Callisto32]

39. Indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez

[pipoman]

33. We are getting close to enough

states to attempt a Constitutional amendment requiring states to allow concealed carry....maybe that is what she is afraid of.?

[Callisto32]

36. Wait just a gol-durned minute.

When McDonald came down, all the anti RKBA folks screamed about how we need to let the states be laboratories and make their own laws regarding firearms

Now they will most likely be supporting nation-wide command and control on the issue.

WHICH IS IT?

[shadowrider]

37. Anti's normally speak with forked tongue

They'll take any position as long as it supports their agenda at the moment.