I fully support a Palin Presidency

[RSillsbee]

Hey what the Hell, that's what all the people who are screaming for a gun ban or a magazine ban or a new AWB are really saying. It was time somebody came out and just said it.

If I must:sarcasm:

[DrDan]

1. no

[RandomThoughts]

2. It really is not that relevant at this point.

[RSillsbee]

7. I'm not so sure

30 round magazines are becoming scarce already. Also, I expect firearms ( including ammunition and accessories) sales in general to shoot up as we hear more rumors of the special gun control address the President is going to make.

Think about the significance of that in this economy. A gun is equivalent to about half a house payment (for me) and people are shelling out for them.

I'd say that makes it pretty darned relevant

[old mark]

3. K&R- Thank you....nt

[patrice]

4. Does that mean that what happens on any of the other issues does not matter?

Will they sign a pledge to that effect?

[RSillsbee]

8. It means that there a bunch of Americans out there

That own AKs ARs GLOCKs and "extended" magazines they have a personal and financial interest in assuring that the gun control crowd doesn't piss all over the new third rail.

[patrice]

12. Are we to assume that we agree upon the definition of "piss"? nt

[RSillsbee]

19. For a quick object lesson

go find an electric fence and piss on it ( No really ) I promise you will only do it one time

[patrice]

26. An electric fence serves a purpose beyond shocking people. Guns for guns' sake doesn't.

It's threats and oppression justifying threats and oppression. Period.

[patrice]

27. I guess we should be glad to know that NOTHING else we might decide to do matters. nt

[patrice]

13. Not to mention the definition of "the third rail" . . .

[RSillsbee]

17. The third rail

The electrified rail on a subway track touch it and you die (politically)

[patrice]

22. Guns don't kill people politically. Whatever it is that you are threatening us with, we have no

say in what it is that we are supposed to bow to? The third something, WHATEVER that is?

Pretty high on yourself, aren't you.

Meet the "new" boss, SAME as the old boss.

[patrice]

15. wow. My initial response was "Is that a threat?" I see I don't need to ask that question now.

[RSillsbee]

21. In a way it is a threat

The threat is "Touch our guns we'll vote you out of office" that was made pretty clear in November of 08

[patrice]

23. So they can do whatever, as long as they don't "touch" your guns, so the guns serve no

purpose other than the guns.

[RSillsbee]

28. The day Obama was elected

An internet gun dealer called "Bud's Guns" reported sales of 1 million dollars in AR15 rifles. W/ in one week Walmarts all over the country sold out of common calibers of ammunition, they stayed sold out until late summer of 2010. In some locations certain caliber are still hard to come by.

AR15 rifles and AK look-a-likes doubled in price and there were 14 million NICS done by the end of the year.

I remember going to a gun show in Colorado late that November that was packed w/ people who had never owned a gun previously but wanted to buy something " before Obama bans them"

If you would like to see a repeat keep pushing for a high cap magazine ban

My point is that people have already sent a message to the government that they are not interested in any more gun control legislation and that it would be political suicide to try to push any through

Typo

[patrice]

29. A threat for no purpose other than the ability to make a threat, so IT DOESN'T MATTER

WHAT THE POWERS THAT BE DO, as long as they "don't touch our guns".

Slaves.

[patrice]

30. And, BTW, if you don't think that TPB can freaking wipe the face of the Earth with

every gun lover out there, you need to become better acquainted with the fire-power of the U.S. military and killers for hire such as Blackwater/Xe. Can you outbid their paymasters?

[PavePusher]

41. Can you say: "Assymetrical Warfare"?

Go forth and read some books.

[beevul]

44. They did a great job of it...

In viet nam. Not.

Posse Comitatus Act ...ever heard of it?

Besides that...

I think, people like you assume that in any hypothetical conflict, that the larger more technologically advanced force would dictate the terms of engagement.


And in that, you'd be wrong.



Think more along the lines of the DC snipers, times a thousand, or a million, or a few million.


Not exactly the picture you paint, is it? It is closer to the truth, however.

[patrice]

24. There is no "way" about it. It's an out-right bald THREAT, for no reason other than gun worship.

[Katya Mullethov]

34. But there it is

Do what ya gotta do .

[patrice]

35. What if what i "gotta do" is inform people that gun "rights" activists will serve ANY master as long

as they are ALLOWED to keep their guns?

[beevul]

45. If thats what you believe...

If thats what you believe.

If you really and truly believe that "gun "rights" activists will serve ANY master as long as they are ALLOWED to keep their guns", then there is only one course of action for you.

Yolk their strength, and don't make enemies of them.

[Katya Mullethov]

48. Then you had best get to running your mouth

And see how it sells .

[PavePusher]

42. "for no other reason than Civil Rights."

There, fixed it for you.

[patrice]

18. And you/they think they stand for Freedom????????????? Holy fucking, wow.

[spin]

20. Many gun owners will vote for RKBA over other issues and point out ...

that it really doesn't matter on most issues who is in the White House or Congress, RKBA being the exception.

I can see their point. We voted for "hope and change" and I hate to say that I see little of either.

Of course, the Republicans will sell out gun owners faster than Democrats if they feel it benefits their political future. Most gun owners don't realize this.

Here's an older but still interesting article from a source that normally favors conservatives:

Don’t Blame Liberals for Gun Control

by Richard Poe

NEWSMAX.COM - Anti-gun crusaders seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats.

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."

One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.

Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation’s strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.

Gun control crusaders argue that the Republicans are simply yielding to grassroots pressure, to gain political advantage. But polls show little evidence of such pressure.
http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/issue11/dont_blame_liberals.htm

[hlthe2b]

5. Because we need guns to prevent her from becoming President?

huh?


I supposed I should add this little thingy :sarcasm:

[The Wielding Truth]

6. Just think. Had we not fought for Obama she would have been a heartbeat away.

[Kennah]

9. Clinton did not lose the Presidency over the AWB ...

... but he did loose the House and Senate over it.

Obama has the Senate, barely, not the House, the economy is in the crapper, violent crime is down a lot from what it was in 1994, and the public is just not jazzed about an AWB. An AWB now would be political suicide.

Push for reform and change in the realm of mental health vis a vis access to guns. Expand HCR reform by providing for better mental health access and services.

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. Well goody for you.

What you do in the voting booth is your business.

[Cirque du So-What]

11. To a hammer, all problems look like a nail

Your estimates of outrage over AWB or magazine restrictions are greatly exagerrated. Believe it or not, there is a large contingent of Americans whose daily lives do not revolve around guns & ammo.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. But, but, but....that can't be true.

This is stunning news.

Oh dear...........

[TheWraith]

25. Bill Clinton disagrees--he admitted the AWB was a big part of the 1994 defeat.

He recounted in his memoir the House Dems coming to him and practically begging him not to push the AWB because they knew it would be political suicide. Clinton felt like you did, that it was no big deal. He later fully admitted that they were right and he was wrong.

Now flash forward 17 years, to where gun control is vastly less popular than it was in the 1990s, and weapons with "large capacity" standard magazines represent all of the most popular and best selling firearms in America.

[sharesunited]

31. Or who think that guns are a terrible threat to society and welcome any reduction.

[Katya Mullethov]

33. And the best way to avoid the hammer ?

Dont be a fuckin' nail .

[Statistical]

49. The % that will be outraged is very motivated, votes in significant numbers, and is

very well organized by the NRA.

Bill Clinton made the same mistake you are doing. Others in the party tried to warn him but he didn't listen. It cost Democrats control of Congress for a decade.

Al Gore got less than 50% of the vote in Union households with guns, he also lost his home state. To underestimate the issue given historical evidence is naive.

[GreenStormCloud]

50. But the gun owners are more motivated.

Remember that a gun owner even just a few guns has invested thousands of dollars in his guns. If he also has a CCW then there is more money paid for the classes, practice, license fee. People tend to vote where they have a lot of money tied up.

I and my wife have 11 guns and each have a CHL. We would be very concerned about any political of any party who started making gun control noises. We are not one-issue voters, but the guns issue would loom larger with us than with a non-gun owner.

People who don't have guns don't have a lot of money invested in the issue that they have to defend.

[immoderate]

14. I still think she will be president...

Fill in the blank to this progression: Nixon, Reagan, George w, _______________!

Replacement set: {Palin, Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Daniels, Quayle, ????}

To ignore this destiny is to deny the trend of America.

--imm

[east texas lib]

32. Don't let it get to you...

I derive endless hours of amusement from reading the latest blistering diatribes from the self-appointed ideological purists that evidently place (an imagined) moral superiority over the Constitution and common sense.

[patrice]

36. I guess I thought they were patriots, when in fact, someone with bigger and more guns, who COULD

actually take their guns away, could receive their obeisance, no matter what else, as long as they are ***ALLOWED*** to keep their guns.

I'm surprised by how mistaken I was. Also surprised by what a beautiful political tool the fact above is. As theories go, it's what is called "elegant" in its power to explain. It's also ironic that though the public claims are about Freedom, the actuality is exactly the opposite.

[RSillsbee]

37. Ok take a breath just calm down NT

[patrice]

38. k.

[slackmaster]

39. I don't believe he's eligible

[Hoopla Phil]

40. Damn that headline got my attention. You are 100% right!!!!

[Hoyt]

43. Guns are that important to you? That is sad.

[friendly_iconoclast]

46. Guns are *that* important to enough people to enable a Palin presidency, *if*

the Democrats choose to try gun control again. I think that's the point he was trying to make.

You might be surprised and disappointed to hear this, but >99.9% of said people simply don't care whether you approve of that or

not....

[RSillsbee]

47. I would vote for Satan before I voted for Palin

That's why I want all of the grabbers to shut up about banning guns

ETA On second thought I might vote for Bristol. At least she can dance

[friendly_iconoclast]

51. Agreed. I think Satan has gotten Helen Chenoweth to posess Sarah Palin.

Or maybe not- but I can't see any difference between the two of them (besides body temperature).....