Whats this? Name that assault rifle!

[1a2b3c]

Lunabush seemed to enjoy the assault weapons topic today. I dont think she/he was around when we use to play name that assault weapon, so this is for you lunabush. Which of these is an assault weapon according to the Assault Weapons Ban? This is not a trick. One of these rifles is banned and one is not. Its hard enough for trained eye to decide which.

[DK666]

1. Ok

Top one is a banned weapon

[ewagner]

2. I have no clue

The one on top looks all the world like a M-16 but I don't know what the bottom one is.

[DK666]

3. I Think the bottom one is a Bushmaster

n/t

[1a2b3c]

4. The top one is a colt

The bottom one is an Oly Arms.

[lcordero]

5. ok

top= looks like an M-16A2
bottom= I think it's an AR-15

bottom= legal

[1a2b3c]

6. Top one is an ar-15

[Wickerman]

42. Gee, I missed this thread was in my honor

Thanks gang. However, I would've said the top looked like an M-16 also. Its been 15 years, though. As an M-16 has that military use, and due to the auto function, it wouldn't be legal. That aside, it isn't a M-16, it appears, so, yep, I played this game of stump the Mod to expectations. Correct, I don't know dick about guns, though I had that fancy little marksman medal back in the day. :eyes:

[1a2b3c]

45. Niether guns are M16's

They are both semi auto sporting rifles.

[Wickerman]

48. yes, if you read my post you will note I said I thought it looked like

an M-16 to my untrained eye, which would have had me fail.

thanks for playing.

[1a2b3c]

49. I know i read it

I was just pointing that out in the subject line so everyone else who decided to play could easily see it. Most people think that one is an m16 and one isnt.

Try my new thread banned in the USA. And we dont even have to thank a democrat for this ban. It was all thought out on republican time.

[Withergyld]

7. Hard to tell from the picture but ...

The bottom rifle has a muzzle brake and is most likely a post ban rifle.
The top rifle looks like it has a flash hider. Because it has a detachable magazine, pistol grip and a flash hider it would be considered an assault weapon under the 1994 AWB.

[1a2b3c]

8. You sir

are correct.

[slackmaster]

9. I wonder how many police officers could answer correctly

Or how many BATFE agents would get it right off the top of their heads.

[kalian]

10. Bottom one...muzzle brake....

top one has a flash suppressor...
The bottom one has the mag loaded...top one has no mag loaded.

Bottom one is considered a "shorty", i.e., 16 inch barrel
and the top one is the "standard" 20 inch barrel.
Both have the "A2" sight.

BTW...I have an EXACT copy of the bottom one. ;)

[1a2b3c]

12. How weird is that

A long time DUer who owns a dredded assault rifle, yet ive never seen this person post in the gun dungeon. Nice to meet you.

[Name removed]

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[slackmaster]

14. Sorry to rain on your picnic a bit

But three-round burst equals machinegun under federal law. Expiration of the AWB will not make it legal for you to put a three-round burst kit in your AR-15, MP5, etc.

[kalian]

15. ...

[slackmaster]

16. Full auto will be no more permissible than it is today

Machineguns, including three-round burst firearms, are not covered by the AWB at all. If your state and locale allow you to buy machineguns, you can do so now and that will not change in any way after the AWB expires.

There are some NFA items that will be affected in a positive way by the expiration of the ban. Presently if you own a post-1994 short-barrelled rifle you have to configure it without Evil Features, e.g. no bayonet lug, no accessible threaded muzzle. The feature rules are exactly the same as for standard-length rifles. Machineguns are exempt from those restrictions because the AWB covers only semiautos.

[Hammie]

11. Top

They are both M-16 pattern sport utility rifles.

The top one has a threaded flash suppressor, detachable mag, pistol grip. So-called assault weapon.

The bottom one has a pinned muzzle brake, detachable mag, pistol grip. Not a so-called assault weapon.

[-..__...]

17. Bonus question...

The rifle at the top: what color "label" model (production series), is it.

Extra credit: Why?

[slackmaster]

18. I'm not a Colt expert but I believe that's a "green" label

Large front pivot pin if I'm not mistaken, generally A2 features (NATO type flash hider, A2 rear sight). I don't see a DIAS block either, so that puts it before the blue labels.

[-..__...]

19. I forgot about the block.

Now that you point it out, I can't see any indication of one. I thought it might have been a "Blue Label"... no "evil" bayonet lug to eviscerate school children with.

Either A "White Label" or the owner added a different upper?

[kalian]

39. "...no "evil" bayonet lug to eviscerate school children with."

Too funny.
Yeah, only the PO-lice need bayonet lugs... :eyes:

[slackmaster]

40. It's funny how cops prefer pre-ban, LEO-Only configurations

Even though obviously things like bayonet lugs make no difference, police like other privileged professionals get things that nobody else is allowed to have just because they can.

[-..__...]

43. I can do that one better.

Why do retired LEO's need bayonet lugs, flash suppressors, collapsible/folding stocks, etc. Why do retired LEO's even need "assault weapons" and "hi-capacity" mags to begin with?

California's AWB exempted retired LEO's until the 9th Circuit Court, (citing "equal protection" under the law in the Silvera .vs Lockyer case), struck that provision down.

Massachusetts AWB exempts retired LEO's from possessing firearms that lesser citizens can not.

Even the Federal AWB makes an allowance (although not specifically), for retired LEO's to own otherwise restricted firearms.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#o9

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I'd like to hear if any anti-gun types think retired LEO's should be granted these sort of exemption(s)... including CCW laws.

[Lefty48197]

20. Can you believe how stupid the U.S. Marines are...

for choosing a varmit rifle to protect our country? No damn wonder we need private armies in this country.

[FeebMaster]

21. Yeah

They should have stuck with deer rifles.

[slackmaster]

22. I saved a newspaper photo of a Marine on a tank in Iraq

In his hands he's holding a bolt-action Mauser rifle, like a 98k or M48. He probably picked it up on a raid. The 8 mm round is much more effective downrange than the high-velocity but small 5.56 mm.

[solinvictus]

29. 98k

Hell, it has much better penetration and effective range for the type of combat they're facing in Iraq. Before the war, it wasn't uncommon to see Fedayeen with Mausers, Nagants, Enfields, and even what looked like FN-49's.

[alwynsw]

23. Shoulda stuck with the M-14

[kalian]

32. There ya go...

The problem with the .223 (5.56mmNATO) round is that it doesn't
kill outright.
Although the terminal ballistics (in ballistic gels...) show
massive terminal trauma and high fragmentation of the round, it
doesn't correlate well with real-world performance.

Case in point, I read an interesting article about how SWAT teams
did away with the 9mm of the M16A2 carbine and switched to the 5.56mm.
Why? Because the 9mm overpenetrated through housing walls AND kept
its bullet form. While the 5.56 round penetrated but then
immediately fragmented...thus preventing overpenetration into adjacent
rooms and thus eliminating the possibility of innocent by-standers
from being hit.

Now...imagine this in Iraq... Our troops are armed with weapons that
cannot cause harm once it hits a wall. While the Iraqis are
armed with the AK47 that fires the venerable 7.62x54mm round. That
round is awesome even though its "long-range" engagement performance
sucks. Then again...in urban environments you won't be engaging
targets much further than 100 meters anyways.

Oh well...

[FeebMaster]

35. The ak-47

fires 7.62x39. In any case, though, the rest of the point still stands.

[kalian]

37. Correct...the x54 would be the Dragunov round...

Nice catch.

On edit: I could never remember the "x**" designations anyways...
I just know that the round is much better than the 5.56 peashooter
that our troops have.
I call it the .22 on steroids... :D

[demsrule4life]

25. The Marines did'nt chose it

Gen Curtis Lemay wanted it for his Air Force security police. Time it was over with everybody got stuck with it. (very short version)

[kalian]

33. Quite true....

but then again it was McNamara and his "whiz kids" that believed that
every single branch of the armed services should have the SAME
equipment even if it didn't meet their mission goals.... :eyes:

[RoeBear]

24. What you've proven...

...is that it is totally ridiculous to ban one of these guns and not the other, any anti-gunners willing to agree?

[slackmaster]

27. Fast-forward to the probably response

"That's why we need a more comprehensive assault weapon ban."

To which the pro-RKBA side will reply that there isn't support in Congress or in an informed general public for a stricter law.

That's because Republicans backed by the corrupt gun industry are stealing elections all over the country and they kicked my dog.

Bah bah bah, woof woof, ribbet, meow.

[1a2b3c]

41. Atleast i got a gun "nut" to agree.

[DocSavage]

26. TOO SCARY

I have to close my eyes.....

Way Too scary!!!!!!!!

Why, the flash supressor alone makes me shake with fear.

[alwynsw]

28. LMAO

[kalian]

30. Was this posted with sarcasm...?

Or is this for real?

[FeebMaster]

31. Don't you understand how dangerous

the .223 is? I hear they go forever.

[kalian]

34. Umm...no...

read my post further up the thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php#37327

On edit: And BTW, I'm a proud and RESPONSIBLE gun owner.

[FeebMaster]

36. heh.

I'm just messing with you. There was an article posted a while back that said the .223 will "go forever" when fired. I don't have a link handy.

[kalian]

38. OK...np

But yes, I have heard the same bs comments made before.

[ale81]

44. Hi, all

The top one is the banned one. I think.

[1a2b3c]

46. good job.

[CO Liberal]

47. How About "Percy" and "Irving"????

:-)