Luzerne County Community College: Student had loaded gun in coat - wanted students to join the NRA

[jpak]

http://www.timesleader.com/news/LCCC__Student_had_loaded_gun_in_coat_03-02-2011.html

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An instructor teaching an anatomy class in the science building called campus security just after 11 a.m. after Zaccagni displayed erratic behavior, Barrett said.

“He was seen in anatomy class and he had a scalpel in his hands and was gesturing to his throat a little bit,” Barrett said. “It alarmed the instructor to the point that the instructor notified us.”

Zaccagni told reporters before his arraignment that he forgot the gun was in his coat pocket. He said another student when picking up his coat at the end of class felt the handgun.

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He said that during a class on Monday, he conducted a power point presentation about anti-gun control laws and urged students to join the National Rifle Association. He claimed he has been around firearms for most of his life, and admitted he did not have a permit to own the gun found by campus security.

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No concealed carry on campus

yup

[Glassunion]

1. Concealed carry on campus is 100% legal in the state this story comes from.

However what this guy did was illegal, because he did not have a license.

But CCW has never been an issue in our colleges. Sorry, but people carry firearms on our campuses every day, and we are not having any issues.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[jpak]

2. Not 100% legal on campus - and this was a "problem"

and a perfect example why college instructors do not want students carrying guns in their classrooms

yup

[Callisto32]

4. How is this a "perfect example of...."

[rl6214]

18. PA allows concealed carry on college campuses

sorry to burst your bubble but you're wrong, AGAIN.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[Callisto32]

3. You don't need a permit to own a gun in PA.....

[AtheistCrusader]

13. Most likely 'carry concealed' was intended, but the reporter is an idiot.

[Callisto32]

14. My wife is a reporter for a small, local paper.

More often than not, she reads stories in big papers and responds something along the lines of "don't they do ANY fact checking before this stuff goes to press?"

It seems to be an epidemic. Idiot reporters, I mean.

[armueller2001]

5. What does this story have to do with

concealed carry by permitted citizens?

[WatsonT]

10. Well see he didn't have his CHL

so if we let people who did have a CHL carry then this guy would have also brought a gun to school and . . . uh . . . somehow things would be worse.


/don't look for logic here, jpak is a true-believer.

[armueller2001]

12. Haha that's pretty much it.

OK so some guy without a drivers license goes 90mph through a school zone that's posted at 30mph so they lower the speed limit to 20mph.

Arguing that this guy is an example of why CCW should not be allowed on campus makes about that much sense.

[baldguy]

6. Another "responsible gun owner"

Flouting the law, abusing drugs & behaving erratically.

[PavePusher]

7. And this is the overwhelming trend?

That seems to be what you are insinuating...

[armueller2001]

8. He was obviously not

a responsible gun owner if he was carrying without a permit and I'm sure he will be reprimanded accordingly.

Criminal gets caught, arrested, and punished. What's the problem?

[Callisto32]

15. Isn't it interesting when examples of the law working are cited as proof that the law doesn't work.

Common anti tactic, though.

[WatsonT]

11. Actually an irresponsible one

you put that in quotes, meaning you believe someone said it (or don't know what quotes are for).

So who has described this guy as a responsible gun owner?

/other than yourself of course.

[Callisto32]

16. To be fair...

quotes have more than one use.

[rl6214]

19. Abusing drugs?

you were able to get that out of the story.

WOW, your powers of observation are above the average human beings.

[GreenStormCloud]

24. Out of about 100 million gun owners, a few will be irresponsible.

You are trying to use the example of a few people to claim that all are guilty.

[WatsonT]

9. So the guy possessed a gun illegally

and would have done so regardless of what the law said.

The solution would be to disarm all the sane people who do follow the laws.

This makes sense.

yup.

[Hoyt]

17. Student is typical of public gun carriers, in my opinion. That's why we don't need em on campus.

But, the 2% of the population that believe guns ought to be toted everywhere, will just whine, rationalize and, in the end, ignore the problems it will cause. More guns, more carriers, bigger magazines, more destructive weapons, etc., become a way of life.

[rl6214]

20. "Student is typical of public gun carriers"

WOW, you too have powers of observation above and beyond the average human being.

You have no freakin clue what most gun owners that carry concealed are like. Only what you make up in your own mind.

I would say this statement can be applied directly to you;

"just whine, rationalize and, in the end, ignore the problems"

[WatsonT]

21. You show an impressive ability to stereotype tens of millions of people based on

the actions of 1 person.

What is your opinion of muslims?

/btw any intro statistics course will tell you that an n of 1 is useless for drawing conclusions about anything other than that 1 sample.

[Hoyt]

23. Actually tens of millions are not carrying in public.

You obviously don't know the sample size. There may be 80 million gun owners, but most keep them at home most of the time.

As to guns on campus, I'm glad they had better sense when I went. No one carried, or felt a need to do so.

[GreenStormCloud]

26. Best estimates are about 8 million people have CCWs.

The number is constantly rising.

[Hoyt]

27. Yes, because we allow carriers to glamorize it, promote it, lobby on behalf of toting . . . . . .

In any event, 300 MILLION don't tote, and society is better for it.

[WatsonT]

29. Flag on the play!

Statement of opinion as if it were fact.

[GreenStormCloud]

30. The number of carriers is expanding.

Of the 40 states that are shall-issue none has had any movement to repeal it. The general public seems quite satisfied, despite your worrying.

[WatsonT]

28. Your statement here doesn't really jive with your previous statement

you said this guy was typical of gun owners (a population in the millions). To back that you point out that . . . . many people do not carry guns in public.

How exactly is he typical? Let's see some evidence.

If someone were to point out a terrorist act and say "typical muslim" we'd call him a bigot right?

So prove that you are not a bigot.

[Hoyt]

33. I admit it, I'm a "bigot" -- against people carrying guns in public places.

I don't think it is good for society and future generations.

[WatsonT]

34. Ok so you're a bigot

you have stereotyped millions of people based on your own personal hatred of them and you're basing your beliefs on hatred rather than facts.

Safe to assume that no amount of evidence would get you to believe anything other than what you believe now?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

22. You think it's "typical of public gun carriers" to carry without a permit illegally?

I'm sorry, but nearly every gun owner I know supports obeying the law when carrying a firearm. That would include actually being legally permitted to carry that gun.

I would have to say from personal experience that this kid with a gun was very atypical of lawful citizens carrying. In fact, concealed carry, with a permit, IS ALLOWED in PA - otherwise he would not have violated the law. unlawful atypical behavior, indeed.

[GreenStormCloud]

25. Texas keeps solid statistics on that.

As usual you are wrong. Here is the conviction record of CHL holder (red) to the general population (blue). We are much better behaved than the general population.

[lawodevolution]

31. Showing anti gun posters this data is like

Pointing out to Christian zealots that the earth is billions of years old and the evidence is in the radioactive isotope dating technique. They all possess a delusion or some kind of magical thinking process that allows them to go on thinking it isn't true.

[WatsonT]

35. If the earth was really a billion years old

then how come God says it isn't? And God is always right, he said so right here.

Can't refute that, can you science-man!

If CHL holders don't really kill people by the millions then how come Brady says they do? And Brady is always right, he says so right here.

Can't refute that, can you gun-man!

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