New Waukegan law sets waiting period for gun resales (IL)

[jpak]

http://newssun.suntimes.com/news/4120046-418/new-waukegan-law-sets-waiting-period-for-gun-resales.html

Gun dealers would be subject to a 30-day waiting period before a gun they received can be re-sold under a measure advancing before the City Council.

The measure, which comes in the aftermath of a 2009 incident in which a local resident bought a gun from a Grand Avenue dealer that turned out to have been stolen, has been given a unanimous recommendation by the council’s Judiciary Committee.

The key provision in the amendment to the city’s current ordinance regarding licenses for vendors of deadly weapons states that it will be unlawful for a person receiving a gun or other deadly weapon “whether by sale, purchase, rental, exchange, or gift, to re-transfer that weapon in any manner to any person, until thirty days have elapsed from the time that the preceding transfer to the transferee was reported in writing to the Chief of Police.”

Under the current ordinance, licensed dealers, on the first day of each month, must provide police with a report of every sale or gift made during the preceding month, but there is no restriction on when those items can be re-sold.

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Watch the NRA oppose this

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[ProgressiveProfessor]

1. There is a state premption law in the works in Springfield

Will stomp out this nonsense and what remains of the Daley travesty in Chicago.

[RSillsbee]

2. Against my better judgement I'm not sure it's a horrible idea

Even if jpak does support it. am I missing something?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

4. 30 days seems excessive for what is a 1 minute task.

[petronius]

10. It seems like it would be useful in helping to recover stolen property, but in that case it

might as well apply to all property being offered for resale. (I have the impression that pawn shops already have some sort of required record keeping for items that pass through, but I could just read too many detective novels.)

I don't see any way that it provides a safety benefit, however - if someone is buying a gun for the purpose of crime they'll just buy one that's currently up for sale, and not wait 30 days for a specific weapon to become available...

[speltwon]

16. There are similar laws in my state regarding copper, and some other items

If you turn in copper, and some other items iirc to a metal reclaimer etc. by law they must wait a prescribed period of time before they process it and send you a check. Obviously, copper thefts have been a huge problem in our area. I've seen thieves do 20k of damage to brand new houses to get out a few hundred dollars worth of copper.

I'm about as pro RKBA as they get, but I'm not sure I oppose this law as long as it applies to dealers only (not private transactions).

[petronius]

21. This sort of law makes sense for items that are frequently stolen and resold, I'm just

not sure why they're singling out firearms in this particular - especially since the article mentions that it's a response to a single incident, which makes me think they're claiming a safety-based motivation.

In a general sense, I can see the point on delaying the resale/processing of used items above a certain value, or items that are stolen at a particularly high rate in the community. 'Scrap' metal is a good example; copper as you mention, and a sad example that sticks in my mind is the theft of the iron from Boston's Longfellow Bridge (although I don't think a waiting period would have helped there, since the theft was discovered pretty late)...

[speltwon]

26. There is a pretty fair %age of firearms that are stolen

Many of the firearms used by felons turn out to be stolen, for instance. Many guns used in criminal enterprise are also stolen. Otoh, I am not aware what %age of guns sold to dealers end up being stolen. Obviously, if they were stolen a time ago AND the owner knew the serial # to report it as stolen, the stolen flag will come up instantly in a NCIC check. It's the "I just stole this gun in a burglary" type guns that don't get in the system yet. I would assume these same sellers would be using some sort of fake ID though. I'm not reflexively for or against this regulation, but I can see some reasons for it, and as long as it doesn't apply to private sellers, I think it is not an undue burden. I haven't made my mind up if I would support it outright.

[RSillsbee]

25. I don't think it's about buying guns

I can buy all the guns I want in a month. It's to keep me from buying a gun and selling it the next day.

That said I just answered my own question because this law is unenforceable w/ out registration.

Got it

The law sucks

Yup

[jpak]

3. How authoritarian

yup

[ProgressiveProfessor]

5. So you approve of town councils blocking constitutional rights

Just how far would you go with that? Disfranchisement of women perhaps?

yup yup

[jpak]

6. I believe in local control. The 2nd A is not absolute and has limits

and We The People have the right to regulate gun sales

and do

fuck the NRA

yup

[Ken_Fish]

8. Sorry, every little town on pen bay cant have its own laws on marriage

or fishing for that matter. Just like a lobster permit..

It is obvious that gun control is done in the US.

[jpak]

11. This is what the people want - power to the people

right on

yup

[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. And rampant discrimination...interesting goals you have

yup yup

[Ken_Fish]

22. What did those signs used to say,

"no dogs, no niggers, and no jews". Times have changes. Lots of people liked jim crow, however it is long gone..

Even is what you said was true and the anit position was actually popular, it would still be the law of the land.

Keep trying the scotus, its the antis only recourse now.

The party has dropped it.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

9. So you support every little postage stamp village can abridge consitutional rights

That is scarcely a liberal, progressive, or even Democratic Party position. However there are groups that support that...

[jpak]

12. They are not abridging anyone's constitutional rights - that's just plain stupid

Any more than requiring un dealers to have a FFL is "abridging" .

yup

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. Consider the general case of what you are advocating...it means hamlets could have discriminatory la...

without recourse.

[jpak]

15. A local waiting period to allow local police check for stolen property is not "discrimination"

sorry

fail

yup

[ProgressiveProfessor]

17. Your willfull avoidance of the implications of the general case you adovicate in this area

(as in more that this instant case) is truly amusing/scary

[jpak]

18. I don't avoid anything - towns and cities should be able to regulate gun sales as they see fit

yup

[ProgressiveProfessor]

19. That is the specific, consider the general case

where hamlets can over ride state and federal law and even the constitution and not just on firearms

[jpak]

20. The NRA and GOP are trying to do just that with this nullification bullshit

but they are against local control when it inconveniences their fucked up right wing agenda

yup

[Ken_Fish]

23. Sorry, little towns can not decide not to honor my Drivers

license. Antis lost, move on. It is sad watching the holdouts. Like the old guys who never new ww2 ended.

[Ken_Fish]

7. They will and they will win.

just one more bit of precedent to be made supporting legal ownership without stupid restrictions like this.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

24. Preemption will squash this. It is coming... count on it. :)

[jpak]

27. Authoritarianism and loss of local control is coming

yup

[WatsonT]

28. How many more laws would it take for the anti-gun

cultists to finally feel safe?

Obviously the actual crime rates and demonstrated uselessness of such laws won't have any imact.

Feelings are all that matter.