Police: Boy, 12, shoots 9-year-old boy’s father during fight

[RamboLiberal]

A 12-year-old boy allegedly shot the father of a 9-year-old boy after the man intervened when the two boys were fighting late Sunday afternoon, Metro Police said.

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Police said the boy is a known gang member and was taken into custody.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/mar/06/boy-12-shoots-9-year-old-boys-father-during-fight/

Short story so I posted only 2 paragraphs.

[wtmusic]

1. If the father was carrying he could have defended himself

and blown the 12-year-old away, but thanks to the "Brady Bunch"... :eyes:

[Atypical Liberal]

2. 12 year old gang members with guns.

It's already illegal. How many laws can we pass to make it super illegal?

[wtmusic]

5. With the NRA trying to hamstring ATF at every turn

laws don't mean squat. Gang member? That was just a "rugged individualist".

But it's ok, when everyone has guns we'll be safe.

[spin]

8. Hamstring the ATF ... considering they are allowing guns to be smuggled to Mexican drug gangs ...

that's an excellent idea.

The ATF needs to be replaced by a real police agency that enforces laws.

[wtmusic]

9. Yeah, and David Koresh was a hero.

Whatever.

[spin]

19. David Koresh was an cult leader and and a fool ...

But the ATF screwed that situation up but good.

A competent law enforcement agency would have just arrested Koresh when he was outside his compound.

Nevertheless, there was no doubt that the initiating ATF raid was ill planned and completely unnecessary. Koresh could have been arrested peacefully away from the compound while a search was activated. Even if the ATF firmly believed that only an element of surprise would have allowed the plan to succeed, once that surprise was lost, they should have stopped and prepared for something else. There was little evidence of awareness of what the Davidians were all about, and it was clear that a paramilitary maneuver simply to inspect some guns was overkill. In a videotape for the History Channel, entitled "Cults," journalist Mike Wallace sternly points out that there were many people to blame for what happened to the Branch Davidians inside the compound, not just them, and there might never be complete clarity on the issue.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/not_guilty/koresh/9.html

I have absolutely no problem when the ATF does its job and arrests gun dealers and straw purchasers who are smuggling guns to Mexico or to our inner cities. I have serious problems with an agency that allowed possibly as many as 2500 firearms to be smuggled to drug gangs in Mexico. How many people were killed or injured by these firearms? Surely you agree that these allegations should be thoroughly investigated and if true, major changes meed to be made in the ATF management chain. If this story came from FOX News I might suspect exaggeration and possibly falsehood, but CBS is the lead news organization.

Indictments filed in federal court, documentation obtained by Senator Grassley, and statements of ATF agents obtained by Senator Grassley and CBS News, show that the ATF Phoenix Field Division allegedly allowed and facilitated the sale of over 2,500 firearms (AK-47 rifles, FN 5.7mm pistols, AK-47 pistols, and .50 caliber rifles) in 'straw man purchases' likely destined for Mexico.<15><21><22><23><24><25> According to ATF agents, Mexican officials were not notified, and ATF agents operating in Mexico were instructed not to alert Mexican authorities about the operation.<26> Some ATF agents and supervisors strongly objected, and gun dealers (who were cooperating with ATF) protested the sales, but were asked by ATF to complete the transactions in order to elucidate the supply chain and gather intelligence.<15><27> However, there are acusations that the ATF was attempting to boost statistics to 'prove' that American guns are arming the Mexican drug cartels and to further budget and power objectives.<28>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Gunrunner

[cleanhippie]

26. Wow, willful ignorance in action right here!

[provis99]

6. there's no indication the boy had an illegal weapon.

Children are allowed to own guns in Nevada.

[Atypical Liberal]

15. Cite, please.

Further, since the kid was a "known gang member", it's highly likely that his criminal history would preclude him from owning firearms in any case.

[Starboard Tack]

20. Which "gang" was he a member of?

The "Gun Gang!" Yippeeeee!

[X_Digger]

22. "Police said the boy is a known gang member and was taken into custody."

It was only two sentences, and you missed one of them?!?

[cleanhippie]

27. Bwahahahaha! fail.

not funny. not clever.

[X_Digger]

18. .. when supervised.

ie, I can hand my nephew a handgun at a range, but he can't possess it otherwise.

[texshelters]

3. If only the father had been

psychic, he could have predicted this. Why do we ban psychic powers?

Peace,
Tex Shelters
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/

[texshelters]

4. The question is, how

did the 12 year old get the gun?

Are the parents culpable, or are there others who helped arm the kids. If we have fingerprint locks or other security measure on the gun, perhaps this wouldn't happen. And none of those would prevent someone from lawfully owning a gun.

Peace,
Tex Shelters
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/

[Wilms]

7. The DEA hooked him up. n/t

[RamboLiberal]

10. Guns aren't like cars that majority eventually get junked - would take generations

Before all the non-lock guns were phased out of existence. And I don't believe the technology yet exists that works reliably every time on a firearm.

[texshelters]

11. So let's give up on even trying?

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[GreenStormCloud]

12. Reliable fingerprint locks don't exist. N/T

[lawodevolution]

16. The increased cost would prevent those less well off from being

Able to afford a gun unless the government pays for the technology.

[Starboard Tack]

21. Haven't you heard?

Handguns are very easy to acquire. You can buy them, steal them, find them, borrow them. There are even some real crazy people out there manufacturing them.

[one-eyed fat man]

25. Gang member??

Do you suppose he was a choir boy? If the little bastard is in a gang and has a criminal record at 12 he was probably stealing his crackhead mother's food stamps at 6 and rolling his classmates in first grade. Who the hell you think GAVE him a gun? The little bastard likely stole it from his dope dealing uncle like the little bastard in Detroit that shot his classmate.

poor misunderstood Dedrick Owens, he was just acting out....


The shooter, who took his uncle's gun from the crack house he was living in with his mother and siblings. The kid who had stabbed a student with a pencil. The kid who told the sheriff he fought with the other children because “he hated them.”

No, little Dedrick Owens's family could be called a lot of things, but normal wasn't one of them. The family's collective police record reads like something out of an Iceberg Slim or Donald Goines novel. His 28-year-old father is in jail - again - and his mother has 'demons' that prevent her from coping with the pressures of keeping a job, paying rent and raising her three children. She left her two boys with an uncle. That's when a sad story turned sordid. The uncle was a drug dealer whose home was a crack house.

Even though he had only been present in the school for two weeks or so before he shot his classmate dead, he had already built up a reputation as a bully, indeed, he had stabbed another white pupil. There was, however, never any discussion of his being removed from the school after this first incident.

When Owens attempted to push her around, as he had so many others, she pushed back and he fell over. Swearing to get even with the girl who had humiliated him, he went home, got a .32 automatic from the crack house where he was living, and returned to confront her.

Immediately before he turned and shot Kayla at point-blank range, he had pointed the pistol at another little girl and said, "I hate you".

Teachers and parents also rushed to tell their stories. Dedrick, they said, was a problem child. He was hostile and bullying and once stabbed another classmate with a pencil.

I can't imagine how they must be feeling to know their little boy took somebody else's life," they said.

"I can't imagine which family is feeling worse."

I can.

I can imagine which family is feeling worse.

I can also imagine a family who don't give much of a flying fuck.

I can also imagine people so removed from reality they think laws would keep miscreants like these from selling drugs, keeping guns or raising murderous and thieving little bastards.

[Hoopla Phil]

31. "fingerprint locks"? Let us have to police try them out first.

If not then I say NO! After all, it is for the children right?

[Hoyt]

13. That's what happens when we promote and glamorize gun carrying.

I guess the pro-carriers will suggest the 9 year-old should have been armed. Or maybe the father shouldn't have left home without a gun just in case a child pulled one on him.

[slackmaster]

14. And a classic bullshit strawman gets repeated one more time

I guess the pro-carriers will suggest the 9 year-old should have been armed.

I guess you are wrong.

[Hoyt]

17. It could have stopped the situation.

Or the dad could have shot the 12 year old, and you guys could start a thread about it claiming guns saved the day.

[slackmaster]

24. I've decided that it's just not worth my time to read Hoyt's contributions any more

Welcome to Ignore, Hoyt.

[Starboard Tack]

23. Why not?

Aren't kids holy enough to be in the gang?

[cleanhippie]

30. All you post is absurd nonsense. Why?

[cleanhippie]

28. I know you like to be wrong, but you make it too easy, Hoyt.

Just so much nonsense coming out of you.

[PavePusher]

29. Cite to evidence or retract your vile lies. n/t