Students want to keep guns out of U. Texas El Paso

[jpak]

http://www.utepprospector.com/perspectives/students-want-to-keep-guns-out-of-utep-1.2075267

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Because of the high risk that guns would pose on campus and in the general well-being of students, the UTEP Student Government Association feels that it is by all means necessary to prevent the legislature from passing such a law. SGA has taken the initiative to begin a petition and a resolution for UTEP students to be a part of.

There will be a rally on campus for students, faculty members and the public to attend March 9 at noon in Leech Grove. The rally will consist of an information session along with a live signing session.

"We believe that if we attain at least 2,500 votes opposing concealed weapons on campus, we can push Governor Rick Perry away from the signing the bill," said Pablo Padilla, senior microbiology major and organizer of the event. "Students have the power to make that change happen."

The petition was created by students who feel that having concealed weapons on campus could pose threats for everyone at UTEP. The rally will give students a chance to voice out their opinion and initiate a change in the state legislature. Once enough votes are attained, the petition will be sent to Governor Perry. Everyone is encouraged to attend.

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Smart college students want guns off campus

yup

[Ken_Fish]

1. "feels" I love that. I feel that others feelings

have nothing to do with reality.

[lawodevolution]

2. it's going to become law

you have no good arguments against CCW on campus except: "it's bad because I said so"

[jpak]

6. GOP/NRA suckage law

yup

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[Davis_X_Machina]

3. Well...

...they just can't, is all. And if they have to die, it's in the best of causes.

Someday we can build a nice tasteful monument on the Mall -- nothing showy, like that WWII abomination -- to the Martyrs to the Constitution.

Or a commemorative stamp. That would be nearly as good, and a lot cheaper.

[lawodevolution]

5. They can already build a monument to the martyrs of the no gun zones

[petronius]

14. Are you riffing on something? That sounds familiar, but I can't place it...

[lawodevolution]

4. Don't worry rick the dick will sign it and it'll be his only good deed

they don't care about university student votes.

[jpak]

8. They are of voting age and the GOP/NRA has pissed them off

Something that will bite the NRA/GOP in their dumb ass on election day

yup

[lawodevolution]

23. and if they are dumb enough to think the law will allow 18 year olds

and foreign students to carry on campus they are also dumb enough to accidentally vote for the politician who supported the bill.

[jpak]

27. No - the GOP/NRA threatened their safety and peace of mind - they won't forget come November

nope

[Ken_Fish]

62. Hey where is that Presidential speech on Gun Control? Busy never gonna

happening..

The party is done with gun control at the national level. The local level, like the impact of brown v board of ed, will eventually happen.

Just like the brown case the most anti places will take the longest to adopt the new reality.

[Hangingon]

30. Do post about the rally. I'd like to see the number of

student signatures. Did you bother to read the site comments. The young lady who wrote the article was taken to task by her some of her fellow students. I do hope she isn;t a journalism major.

[rl6214]

31. Texas will not vote ricky out

Except for El Paso, where I live, Texas is all GOP all the time.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[jpak]

34. How soon we forget Ann Richards

sigh

[DonP]

38. You mean the woman who lost her re-election bid because of CCW?

She refused twice to sign a concealed carry bill and what's his name beat her and signed the bill in his first few months? That Ann Richards?

Your examples are accidentally humorous, even when you're not trying.

[jpak]

40. No, she lost because of KKKarl Rove's lie campaign that she was a lesbian

yup

[rl6214]

47. Bullshit

Link.

[lawodevolution]

57. if you have to resort to lies in order to make an anti-gun point, you just lost.

[rl6214]

39. Yeah, how long ago was that

She was just prior to Bush so that would make it mid 90's. Yup, 1994. Been a long time. GOP has had a pretty solid lock on it since 79 with two 4 year exceptions. We can always hope, right?

[jpak]

41. Hope and Change

yup

[lawodevolution]

44. we have been changing gun laws, hope you can adapt.

[jpak]

48. Republicans have been changing gun laws - not Dems

fact

yup

[rl6214]

49. We, the voting public

YUP

YUP

YUP

[lawodevolution]

55. "we, the voting public" and that's a fact

[jpak]

59. Nope - the asshole GOP congress of 2004 & asshole GOP state legislatures today

yup

[Horse with no Name]

7. I love this. Maybe there is a REASON that El Paso is the safest city in the country

It is a heavy Democratic area with smart young people.

[Ken_Fish]

9. El Paso gun ownership laws vs S chicago or camden nj VS

murder rate in same cities. So in a city with high gun ownership the crime rate is tiny vs ban cities..

Hmm.

[Horse with no Name]

11. What????

El Paso has around a half million people. 4th largest city in Texas. Shares the border with one of the most deadliest cities in the WORLD.
Yet, they only had 6 murders last year and thus were chosen the safest city in the country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/12/27/us-usa-mexico-elpaso-idUSTRE6BQ2NW20101227

[Ken_Fish]

15. Correct. People own guns there, it is legal to carry concealed, without having to bribe someone..

vs S Chicago or DC which have complete bans and absurd murder rates rates.

What I am saying is El Paso destroys the anti rights crowds argument that availability and legal ownership of firearms cause crime..

[lawodevolution]

20. and the gun range has a bar where they serve alcohol

no crazy drunk shootings there yet.

[lawodevolution]

16. and saturated with firearms.

[rl6214]

32. Those safest city numbers are skewed.

My BIL is a sheriffs deputy here in El Paso and he just laughed at that report that said we were the safest city.

[lawodevolution]

42. not safest by overall crime which el paso is only slightly below average

but in 2010 el paso had very few murders.

[speltwon]

45. Sheriff's deputy generally patrol unincorp areas outside the city limits

fwiw. Not sure if that is true in El Paso, but it's true almost everywhere else.

[rl6214]

50. True but

They are the ultimate law enforcement authority in the county with jurisdiction over the EPPD

[spin]

10. It will become law and five years from now carry on campus will be legal ...

in many states.

And chances are there will have been no major problems or tragedies.

In every states where concealed carry has passed the media screamed that there would be blood in the streets and a return to the "Wild West". It never happens.

We sure have a lot of Chicken Littles in our nation.

[jpak]

12. That is the plan - of the GOP and NRA - Dems will put a stop to that

No gun toting cowboys for you

yup

[Ken_Fish]

18. DO you actually believe this stuff you post..

basically you own the message in this forum. Currently the top 10 posts are yours. I would say your post density is significant.

nothing wrong with that, just a simple question.

Do you actually believe what you post? That democrats in Texas (or anywhere else) are going to strip gun rights?

[jpak]

22. The GOP/NRA has over-reached and sensible folks will rebel and repeal

yup

[lawodevolution]

26. yes repeal the NFA and disband the ATF and BATFE

[jpak]

28. Isn't the ATF and the BATFE the same thing? - lol - and law abiders have nothing to fear from them

yup

:rofl:

[lawodevolution]

43. yes, letting guns walk to mexico, our tax money being used well

spend millions for an agency to sit on its ass and watch people walk guns to mexico. Let's send Mexico a message, we don't support your gun laws, if people take guns to mexico, that's export. If you have disarmed the good people in your country and the drug gangs have taken over, that's what gun control does and that's not our problem.

[rl6214]

35. Hasn't happened since the assault weapon ban expired

What's gonna make it happen now?

HMMMM

[spin]

19. The Democrats haven't been very effective in this area recently ...

you must be California dreaming.

[jpak]

29. Democrats will reload

yup

[rl6214]

36. Reload?

You said reload.

aaaaaahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[lawodevolution]

56. democrats will reload and turn pro gun.

[jpak]

60. In Sarah Palin's dream

yup

[lawodevolution]

63. You seem to be obsessed with Sarah, maybe you fantasize about her

[WatsonT]

53. People will be wondering what the fuss was all about

in the same way most people wonder what the big concern over school integration was.

[derby378]

13. I feel a song coming on...

Four posts in the same forum within 36 hours about the same story...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE&feature=fvsr

[rl6214]

17. MY UTEP student, who turns 20 in June, along with his friends

Are ALL going to get their concealed carry licenses and have talked to the dean (Dr. Natalicio) and expressed their support of concealed carry and given their reasons why it should be allowed.

Smart college students, all of them.

Keep in mind, Juarez Mexico, the most violent city in the world is literally a stones throw away from the UTEP campus and the violence is starting to spill across the border into El Paso. I carry every day and am NOT going to get caught in a crossfire unarmed.

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

[lawodevolution]

21. I think their side of the story is being drowned out by the media

I would bet that after students are informed of the specifics of the CHL on campus bill and they can make an informed decision the vast majority will support it.

[Sonoman]

24. You'd better be really good if you get caught in a crossfire.

Under a car is the safest place to be if you can't get inside.

Running around and shooting can get you killed, if there are more than two other shooters.

I always carry, as well.

Sonoman

[rl6214]

37. Who said anything about running around and shooting?

I carry to protect myself and my loved ones. I have no desire (contrary to what jpak might think) of being John Wayne.

[DonP]

46. FWIW Try behind the engine block instead

Even 9mm will go through and through a car body. Steel wheels will stop some pistol caliber rounds, but anything larger and the only thing that will stop the round is the block.

[hollowdweller]

51. I have mixed emotions on it

On one hand college students still have a lot of hormones going and there is a lot of drinking snd stuff at colleges. Also I sort of worry about students losing their guns and other people getting them.

On the other hand when I was in college we could have deer rifles in our dorms and there was never a problem, and as was mentioned in this thread despite the widespread carry of guns these days there doesn't seem to be any great uptick in shootings.

On the third hand ;) If they pass the law and there is a big spate of problems with guns on campus then they can always repeal it.

My biggest concern would be the gun lobby would try to keep any problems under wrap. There's been one or more instances where the gun lobby tried to keep CCW permit info from newspapers because the papers started finding criminals who had been issued permits or permit holders who had used their guns in an irresponsible manner. If we as a society are going to allow widespread carry we should be keeping good stats on whether it's having any impact positive or negative.

<b>In Memphis, Tenn., The Commercial Appeal found at least 70 people in the Memphis area who had concealed-carry permits despite violent histories including robbery, assault and domestic violence. A firestorm erupted after the newspaper posted an online database in 2008 of names of all concealed-carry permit holders in Tennessee.

Legislatures in Florida and Tennessee have since voted to make information on permit holders private.

* The Indianapolis Star found hundreds of people convicted of felonies or other "questionable" cases in which people were subsequently granted concealed-carry permits, often over protests cases from local law enforcement officials and in some instances where it appeared the state police had a legal obligation to deny them. </b>

http://www.thehawkeye.com/story/BC-IL--Gun-Owners-Disclosure-1st-Ld-Writethru

So while I think that it would be worth a try to allow students to carry based on the fact that schools seem unable to prevent BAD GUYS from coming on campus and the students should at least have a fighting chance, I fear that any problems will be swept under the rug by the gun lobby, especially in Texas which is full of superstitious, anti fact, anti science knuckledgraggers.

[lawodevolution]

54. "I have mixed emotions on it"

"hormones going and there is a lot of drinking snd stuff at colleges"

If this were a problem it would manifest itself at other locations where students gather and guns are allowed such as at frat parties. No there is no legal drinking on campus, it is occurring at a private residence where people can have guns without a CHL.

"There's been one or more instances where the gun lobby tried to keep CCW permit info from newspapers because the papers started finding criminals who had been issued permits or permit holders who had used their guns in an irresponsible manner."

The gun lobby tried to keep the list of CCW permit holders secret because of possible misuse of the data. If a permit holder had a record, I wonder if it was a permit issued back when the system was may issue and the permit holder had enough money to pay off the sheriff. Shall issue systems require that one passes a background check.

"especially in Texas which is full of superstitious, anti fact, anti science knuckledgraggers."

You mean "those" people in Texas?

[rl6214]

58. "Texas which is full of superstitious, anti fact, anti science knuckledgraggers."

Pretty broad brush you are painting the state (my state) of Texas with there buddy. You shove your feet in your mouth often?

Moron.

[jpak]

61. !

:wow:

:rofl:

[PavePusher]

64. If I recall correctly, the Commercial Appeal did not find cases where people were actually convicted

They were looking at charges. Which are often inflated and/or plea bargained.

The Indy Star? I haven't heard of that story, cite, please?

As for the Illinois issue, the A.G. wants to publish a list of every gun owner, which is certainly not a matter for public record for a number of very good reasons.

Frankly, if the NRA is opposing that stuff, they are on the correct side. And for the record, I'm a mamber.

[WatsonT]

52. That's a pleasant change of pace

the article starts with the fail instead of building to it.