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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:19 PM
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Grassley asks for independent investigation of ATF
“Sen. Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, demanded Tuesday that an independent watchdog be used to investigate the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives decision to let hundreds of guns fall into the hands of straw buyers for suspected Mexican weapons traffickers in hopes of making a bigger criminal case,” Rick Solomon of the Center for Public integrity reports.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/grassley-asks-for-independent-investigation-of-atf


I made a prediction in a much earlier thread on "gunwalker" that only and independent prosecutor would be able to get to the bottom of this.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:22 PM
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1. Grassley is a republican asshole and Wayne LaPierre's bitch
yup
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:23 PM
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2. And the investigation into the ATF is going to send people to jail.
yup
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:38 PM
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4. Yeah - all the asshole gun shop owners that sell thousands of weapons to Mexican cartels
yup
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:47 PM
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5. At the instruction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
yep yep yep.

Are you afraid of what an independent prosecutor might find?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 01:23 PM
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6. I 'm not afraid at all - it will expose the true magnitude of GOP/NRA abetted gunrunning to
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 01:24 PM by jpak
Mexican cartels

yup
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 02:11 PM
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7. Can you cite ONE source claiming that the NRA is part of the running of guns
to Mexico? There are multiple citations of the ATF being part of it. So do you support an independend prosecutor investigating this?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 02:52 PM
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8. The NRA backed republican legislation that prohibited the ATF from monitoring multiple gun sales
http://www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com/notitas-de-noticias/details/nra-helps-block-gun-rule-meant-to-assist-in-stopping/5450/

Opposed to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms’ proposed rule change that would require firearms dealers along the southwest border to report multiple sales of long guns has been allegedly blocked with help from the National Rifle Association. The rule change was proposed in an attempt to stop the trafficking of guns to Mexico.

Though the amendment was authored by Oklahoma Democrat Dan Boren and Denny Rehberg (R-Montana), they received strong supports from the NRA, which. had publicly expressed their opposition to the rule change.

The Boren/Rehberg amendment was passed by the House, and blocked funding to the Department of Justice to prevent ATF from enacting the proposed rule.

U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-El Paso), a Border Patrol agent from 1984 to 1995, said he was disappointed to see the amendment passed saying, “As a former law enforcement officer, I have always been a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, but it is unconscionable to tie the hands of our federal law enforcement agencies as they are making a reasonable attempt to prevent these weapons from continuing to reach the hands of drug cartels.”

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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 04:30 AM
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10. I'll take that as a no.
As it does not prove anything about illegal gun running activity. The ATF however. . .
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 04:28 AM
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9. delete
Edited on Sat Mar-12-11 04:28 AM by Hoopla Phil
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 12:24 PM
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3. Metaphorically.
"We all are going to die, at least die standing up"


Liberating a Prison Camp
http://movieclips.com/q59m-red-dawn-movie-liberating-a-prison-camp/
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