National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Bill Introduced In U.S. House

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.nraila.org/

Last week, H.R. 822, was introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.). The measure would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed carry permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms.

Bipartisan. I like that.

[cleanhippie]

1. Wow, this is a big deal!

[HopeHoops]

2. I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as it excluded those prohibited, state-by-state level.

Each state has the right to set such exclusions and they should be honored by any such reciprocal agreement.

[GreenStormCloud]

9. It does exactly that.

If a state allows CC then it is required to honor other state's CC. If a state doesn't allow any CC at all, then it isn't required to honor any other state's CC.

[HopeHoops]

10. Then that's cool.

[Bonhomme Richard]

16. Some states are open carry only. Would that mean that

I would conceal carry in my state but in the other State I would have to open carry? Fair enough but I hate OC

[GreenStormCloud]

24. No. Only applies to CC.

However if you went to a "may-issue" state that never issues they would have to honor it.

[VoteProgressive]

61. Maybe Obama will veto it.

[Maine_Nurse]

3. Hopefully it makes it through this time. Eventually it will. nt

[Taverner]

4. Isn't this already the case

And if not - it should be

Just like a marriage in Ohio is recognized in California, a CCW in Texas should be recognized in Illinois

[Glassunion]

8. Sadly no. States are not required to recognize the licenses from other states.

As for Illinois, they do not allow CCW(yet), so no license from out of state would be recognized by the state.

[Bonhomme Richard]

19. I believe CT doesn't recognize any other state so very few

states recognize CT.

[Glassunion]

5. OH NOES! Blood flow streets it will! Morans!!!

Yup

[bowens43]

6. the whole fucking country has gone insane

now Dems are down in the toilet frolicking with the pukes......

fucking disgusting. we should be working to BAN all hand guns not spread them around.

[Maine_Nurse]

11. Thankfully, most dems in my state firmly disagree with you.

[jpak]

22. Not so - and republicans - not Democrats - sponsored that POS gun bill pending in Disgusta

yup

http://www.timesrecord.com/articles/2011/02/23/news/doc...

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Among the handful of bills expected to set off the biggest firestorm is legislation sponsored by Rep. Dale Crafts, R-moran-Lisbon, that would — among other changes — repeal the requirement for a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Maine.

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LD 658, “An Act To Modify the Requirement of a Permit To Carry a Concealed Weapon,” is sponsored by Rep. Dale Crafts, R-moran-Lisbon. Co-sponsors are Sen. Garrett Paul Mason, R-moran-Lisbon; Rep. Bernard Ayotte, R-moran-Caswell; Rep. Russell Black, R-moran Wilton; Rep. Richard Cebra, R-moran-Naples; Rep. Tyler Clark, R-moran-Easton; Rep. Paul Davis, R-moran-Sangerville; Rep. Kenneth Fredette, R-moran-Newport; Rep. Ralph Sarty Jr., R-moran-Denmark; and Rep. Jeffrey Timberlake, R-moran-Turner.

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But Sen. Margaret Craven, D-sanity-Lewiston, on Tuesday described Crafts’ bill as “outrageous.” She, too, pointed to the Giffords shooting in Arizona, but used the incident to argue against the legislation.

“I don’t even have enough words to tell you how upset this makes me,” Craven said Tuesday of LD 658. “I think the purpose of carrying a weapon is to intimidate others and (the bill would) make (guns) very, very available to young people — to children — who are just playing with them, who don’t even know the danger of them. In the wake of all that has happened in this country in the last four or five years, and indeed in the last few weeks in Arizona,I don’t know what the big push is to make sure people have weapons, and access to weapons.”

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[Maine_Nurse]

23. I was referring to the citizens, not the legislators...

my town is firmly Democrat and there were a couple town firearms restriction ordinances proposed in the last couple of elections (at least one of them by a recent transplant "from away". They were soundly trounced by public vote (over 80%).

[jpak]

29. Stupid anti-hunting ordinances - not carry restrictions I bet

yup

[Maine_Nurse]

31. Discharge ordinance actually. Only the state can regulate carry. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

25. The thread is about a National bill, not a state bill.

Please don't attempt to hijack the thread.

[friendly_iconoclast]

51. I note that you and Craven avoided mentioning Vermont- and for good reason

It kinda wrecks the Lovejoy when the nearest real-world example has few problems- and is heavily Democratic, as well.

[Glassunion]

12. What is going to happen?

Does a person with a license suddenly come down with a case of mental illness when they cross a state line?

[spin]

17. Many people carry legal concealed weapons across state lines everyday.

A Florida License is good in 35 other states and their licenses are good in Florida.

Ref:
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

[Glassunion]

21. Was that meant for me?

[spin]

32. It was mainly to point out to those who are unfamiliar with gun laws ...

and read your post that there is nothing unusual about people who legally carry concealed firearms across state lines.

It's an everyday occurrence.

[Glassunion]

36. I can't wait for it to pass... I'll be able to carry in the bad neighborhoods that I have to work

in from time to time.

Living in one state and working in another sux sometimes.

[Atypical Liberal]

20. Why do you feel that way?

we should be working to BAN all hand guns not spread them around.

Did you know that in Texas, people with CCW permits only account for about one-quarter of one percent of all convictions? Did you know that a person with a CCW permit in Texas is like 30 times less likely to be involved in any kind of crime than someone without a CCW permit? Other states that share this data about their CCW permit holders have similar trends.

CCW permit holders are hardly ever involved in crime.

[GreenStormCloud]

27. Actually it is 1/10 of that.

CHL holders account for 25 convictions per 100,000 CHL holders. That is .025%. A quarter of one percent is .25%

[Atypical Liberal]

35. You're right.

It's 1/40 th of one percent!

[X_Digger]

37. y'uh-huh, suuure..

http://www.gallup.com/poll/144887/Continuing-Record-Low-Support-Stricter-Gun-Control.aspx

[speltwon]

41. At least you are honest with your agenda. I can respect that

Many anti-gunners claim they don't want to ban (hand)guns, but they keep incrementally regulating them up the slope. I appreciate the honesty

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[Deep13]

13. I think this is Federal over reaching. nt

[GreenStormCloud]

15. Have you ever heard of the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution?

This merely requires states to live up to it.

[Deep13]

55. Yup, PA knows that an OH carry permit absolutely gives a person...

...the right to carry in OH.

[Glassunion]

57. What about...

WA, NV, AK, AZ, UT, ID, MT, WY, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, MN, IA, MO, AR, FL, MI, IN, KY, TN, WV, DE, VT, VA, NC and SC?

They all know that an OH carry permit absolutely gives a person the right to carry in WA, NV, AK, AZ, UT, ID, MT, WY, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, MN, IA, MO, AR, FL, MI, IN, KY, TN, WV, DE, VT, VA, NC and SC.

Is there something magical that happens between the state lines of PA and OH that makes people with their respective state's licenses to go crazy or somehow make them a risk? Yet it does not effect them if they cross a deferent state line, like WV?

What happens when someone from with a license from OH and someone with a license from PA meet in West Virgina? Do they suddenly divide by zero and a hole gets ripped in the space-time continuum? Do they explode or repel each other like the same poles on a magnet?

[Glassunion]

18. Is it Federal over reaching that all states recognize marriage licenses or drivers licenses?

[X_Digger]

39. Actually, for driver's licenses, it's not the fed that set that reciprocity..

Most reciprocity came about as a result of the "driver's license compact".

[Glassunion]

48. Don't harsh my mellow...

Thanks for the clarification.

[Deep13]

56. "all states" ...

And in point of fact, not all states recognize all marriages. And they don't generally recognize each others marriage licenses, which is permission to get married in that state, but only the marriage itself.

[Glassunion]

58. So, what you are saying is that if my wife and I moved to OH

We would no longer be married because we now reside in a different state? That on our state taxes we would have to file unmarried single? Or we would have to get re-married in the state?

[Bonhomme Richard]

14. Just reading about that today. It really annoys me that...

I can't go from one location to another with my pistol legally. Live in CT but have a sailboat on the Chesapeake (MD) and a house on the jersey shore.. Drives me nuts.

[speltwon]

43. NJ once charged a NYC cop with carrying in their state

The Port Authority cops are authorized to carry in both states, since it's a dual state agency. But some NY cop got into an incident off duty, committed no crime, but the NJ prosecutor charged him with carrying w/o a license. It gets a little ridiculous for most folks traveling cross country, cause how they store their gun legally changes from state to state. some states require a locked container out of reach, etc.

[ileus]

26. This would make deciding where to vacation easier.

[GreenStormCloud]

28. As an added bonus it will give Bloomy fits. N/T

[high_and_mighty]

30. He'll have to change from carry permits to something else.

Maybe the wealthy can donate and get deputized.

[Glassunion]

38. +1

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

33. What about states that do not support preemption?

Could a city still ban concealed carry... even if it's state allows it?

[GreenStormCloud]

34. Good question. I guess it would depend upon the state.

Most states have premption laws now.

[X_Digger]

42. Here's an interesting tidbit from HR 822-

"(c) In a State that allows the issuing authority for licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms to impose restrictions on the carrying of firearms by individual holders of such licenses or permits, a firearm shall be carried according to the same terms authorized by an unrestricted license or permit issued to a resident of the State."

So an out of state license would serve in lieu of an 'unrestricted' license.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

44. I assume an 'unrestricted' license is one which state laws superceed local laws?

[X_Digger]

46. I'd have to check various state laws.

But it it would appear to be reciprocal to a state's most permissive analogue.

[speltwon]

40. I already have national right to carry reciprocity. I want my fellow citizens to have the same

It makes sense.

[jpak]

45. More NRA over-reach insanity

yup

[friendly_iconoclast]

47. Care to elaborate, or are you going to leave it content-free?

Up to you...

[rl6214]

53. Drive by one liner

YUP

YUP

YUP

[oneshooter]

49. Try this site for more information on Reciprocity.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html


It seems that California does not recognize any states permits.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[rl6214]

50. Nice and there is a D introducing it as well

YUP

YUP

YUP

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[Straw Man]

54. I have a CCW in New York State...

...and it is recognized by 14 states. Unfortunately, only one of them borders New York. That means that if I'm close to any state border other than Vermont, making a wrong turn in my car could turn me into an instant felon. Oops, I'm in Massachusetts. Lock me up.

Some people think this is good.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

59. great news. thanks for posting this.

K&R

[YllwFvr]

60. love it

hope it passes. Im rather disappointed LEOSA doest seem to mean jack in neighboring states around here either. Cant even get it that way :/

[Hoopla Phil]

62. Groovy. n/t