Charge: Seattle man threatens children with gun in road rage incident

[jpak]

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/436905_child10.html

A 21-year-old Seattle man is facing child assault charges following allegations that he threatened two young boys with a gun during a road rage incident.

King County prosecutors claim Michael C. Cramer pointed a pistol at the children, aged 10 and 7, during the Dec. 7 incident.

Cramer "engaged in road rage with a stranger and her two young boys … during which he pointed a firearm at the children who were afraid he was going to shoot them," Senior Deputy Prosecutor Adrienne McCoy told the court.

"The boys were able to describe the gun in detail and draw pictures of it for the police," McCoy added.

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and the Guns on Campus Squad tells us that 21 YOs are mature enough to pack heat on campus...

not

[villager]

1. By God was there ever clearer evidence that we must *arm the children!?*

n/t

[petronius]

3. Wow, that sounds like a truly horrible idea. Has anybody actually advocated it?

:shrug:

[villager]

6. In a de facto sense, sure. But glad to see that we agree, conceptually, on reasonable limits!

It's only the fine print we dispute! ;-)

[PavePusher]

7. Cite to evidence of this "de facto", if you can.

If I were you, I'd prepare a retraction....

[villager]

9. You're a funny guy. Spend much time in this forum?

:shrug:

[friendly_iconoclast]

10. He was being nice, and only indirectly pointing out your strawman argument

I however, (in spite of my screenname), am happy to point it out for all to see...

[PavePusher]

12. Considerably more than you, it appears.

Care to address the question posed to you?

[pickle juice]

2. And certainly not old enough to carry guns in Afghanistan.

:eyes:

[rl6214]

4. Innocent until proven guilty

Post this again when the trial is done.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[RSillsbee]

5. Because some men (who by definition have penises)

Use them to rape we must casterate all men

Yup

Yup

[PavePusher]

8. Ah, so you assume that one data point is indicitive of the entire subset.

Not the math wizard, are you?

[AtheistCrusader]

11. That one may not have been, if convicted.

But I was.

Care to try regulating my behavior by some criminal shithead's behavior? Good luck with that.

[RamboLiberal]

13. Bet this guy was legally carrying - NOT

Cramer yelled at the woman and began throwing gang signs as she tried to drive from the area, a Seattle detective told the court. As she tried to pull away, the detective continued, Cramer pointed a pistol at the woman's car.

Cramer followed her from the area, tailgating her as she called 911 before driving away, according to charging documents. Seattle police ultimately found the car and Cramer, who was subsequently identified as the driver.

Prosecutors have charged Cramer with second-degree assault of a child and harassment. Jailed since Dec. 13 on an unrelated domestic violence charge, he remains in custody.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/436905_child10.html

Just another upstanding citizen. Bust his ass on the charges & throw him in prison for a nice long sentence if convicted. Best we all be protected from this kind of scum. And he and his ilk is the reason some of us carry guns.

Hell we had a road rage incident the other day where another "upstanding citizen" in a road rage incident followed the guy in to the victim's place of employment parking lot. The county 911 and police center. Shot him multiple times in the legs because hey, he didn't want to kill him.