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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:44 PM Original message |
A Legacy of Injustice: The California "Assault Weapons" Control Act 20 Years Later |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'm sure all the criminals lined up to turn in their illegal weapons when the ban went into effect |
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right2bfree (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Yes. More then a few gun owners have gone to prison for owning an AW in CA. nt |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. Both of these are picture of the mini-14 rifle. Just because it |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 11:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I was doing some traveling in my RV a few years back |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Yep, evil lurks in the RKBA crowd. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 02:00 AM Response to Reply #20 |
110. Only sometimes |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. That's what the marketeers and manufacturers depend on. "Assault" sells. Ban em. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Please point out when and where any of these |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Can't tell what your question is. The fact is, IMO, if one wants one of these it isevidence . . . |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 01:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Dropped part of the question |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 07:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. I "feel" the same way about people that post their fevered imaginings online too |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
36. Your opinion is irrelevant because my opinion negates yours; however, no amount |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Owning -- and, worse, carrying massacre type weapons in public -- is not a "civil liberty." |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. What are "massacre type weapons"? n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Cite to evidence? n/t |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. There you go again, trying to inflame by using |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
85. Wow, you'd be really fun on an election board in Cuba |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Cuba has election boards? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
94. I'm sure you feel the same about.... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 09:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
103. The "assault" one is more ergonomic and flexible |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Guns should be uncomfortable to shoot, and inaccurate, too! |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. "Comfort." Planning on shooting it from your recliner? Make it comfortable to commit a massacre? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Deleted message |
Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:51 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I suppose "good policy" would be to promote ownership of such weapons. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 01:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. For those that may want them, why not? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Come on, get serious |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Get serious about what? Folks who covet such guns should get serious. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. These guns are the most commonly used rifles on the market today |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #54 |
113. Of course they are popular among you guys -- marketing terms like "TACTICAL" spur sales. |
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right2bfree (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 02:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I hope Obama can get this new Assualt Gun Ban through Conress soon. nt |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 03:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. The Republican Party thanks you for your support. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
71. An "assault gun" is something else entirely. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Are you saying that guns should be uncomfortable and harder to control? Really? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. We should put a less comfortable, less ergonomic seat in your car. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
104. Comfort means accuracy, all shooters know that |
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BoWanZi (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 03:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Did you even watch the video? Your posts ooze ignorance about guns. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I believe that it oozes brown organic fertilizer. n/t |
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SlimJimmy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 06:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. The mini-14 at the top is one of the rifles used by many police departments |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
23. If you "Ban em now" how would you pay for them? |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. So what if "assault" sells? You going to ban "assault" movies, too? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Maybe the so-called "gun culture" needs to reevaluate what attracts them to such guns. |
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DonP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. No, we don't need to, we already know. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Why? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. They are harmful folks. They perpetuate aspects of "gun culture" that aren't good for society. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Again, what are "massacre type weapons"? n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. It's emo-twaddle.. 'my morals are better than your morals' crap. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. What BS, XD. Show me yours and see if I run. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Smoking is proven dangerous, mink coats aren't banned. Try again. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 05:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. You don't see many mink coats nowadays. One day, guns like your favorite will be viewed the same. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Can't stick to one topic, eh? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Maybe folks who don't believe they need a weapons cache to live in today's society. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Conquering evil one anyonomous snark at a time. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. How will we kill ourselves if they took away our guns and made us want to kill ourselves ? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
101. That is frightening. But I am not so much against guns at home, your concern being one reason. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 09:56 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. I do ghost writing of hyperbolic prose |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Once again, please define "massacre type weapons " for us. n/t |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. More emo-twaddle? Is that all you have? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. STILL waiting for you to cite |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
84. High power matches |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
107. Why is it ALWAYS an insult and a sexual reference with you , Hoyt? Really, what the fuck? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
98. People who throw paint on mink coats get arrested. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. In what way are the bad for society? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Cite some evidence to support your assertions. |
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right2bfree (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
86. Massacre-type weapons is a good term for guns with large magazines. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:19 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I have and can put a 5 round magazine on my ar for hunting |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. How do you define "large magazines"? n/t |
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right2bfree (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 01:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
109. Right on! Every other nation in the world has strict laws on gun ownership, but the US.... |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
55. Maybe YOU need to reevaluate what any of these guns have |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. If you want to ban something, ban the video games my |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. Let's hope kids don't act the videos out when they get older using these weapons designed to appeal |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. I have no desire to limit or ban weapons. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
105. Penn & Teller did a great one on that |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
30. So, now you want to ban firearms over a marketing term? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Marketing term that appeals to the baser instincts of those that covet such weapons. |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. "baser instincts"? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. I ask again: |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Hrmm.. we've heard that term before.. 'baser instinct'.. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. Never had previous name. But kudos to him if he expressed concern for those who covet such weapons. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Ooooooo, "covet." Using fundy words again. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. Do you COVET often? |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Why should guns be uncomfortable and inaccurate, again? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. You keep saying "mass massacre weapon" |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I have asked him for a definition twice but he has ignored me. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Pretty clear to me what I meant. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I really don't care what is clear to you. If you use a descriptive such as"massacre type weapons " |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Why? You are just going to say that some folks like/covet guns manufactured for a massacre. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. You keep digging that hole.. "manufactured for massacre" -- LOL!!! |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Come on Hoyt, you keep referring to massacre-type weapons |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Yes, you meant to imply that the least misused firearms |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Don't mean to take away your toys, but I don't really think it is good to pander to folks baser |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. 'such guns' -- define, please? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:30 AM Response to Reply #77 |
91. So you can see handguns in restaurants, public parks, etc? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #91 |
112. Sorry, but you are wrong. Folks can -- and do -- open carry with a permit. |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 07:15 AM Response to Reply #77 |
96. "Baser instincts" like the desire for reliability, accuracy, and durability? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Pretty clear to YOU what YOU meant |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I've probably shot more firearms than you, from an Evans Repeater, to muzzle loaders and 1911s. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Since you refuse to define it, then how can anyone answer your question? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:38 AM Response to Reply #76 |
92. How many do I have? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Good for you. Although such lists don't really impress. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #95 |
111. You asked, I replied. Had no desire to impress you |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
97. Yes I love the fuck out of my Mosin-Nagant 91/30's |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Deleted message |
PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Well then, your telepathy is a Fail. Better work on that.... n/t |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #97 |
106. I own a gun designed for rapid fire killing! |
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russ1943 (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
75. Hoyt, you're right. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Did you actually look at the "citation"? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
93. Do you read what ever you are citing? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #93 |
114. Yet, people gotta have one. Marketing terms like "tactical" increase sales. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 08:38 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Even your FUDD Friends are getting in on the act.. |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. Watch the video again carefully. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. Projection in action. |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. 50,000 dollars in legal fees and another 1000 to get the guns back |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
34. Amen! |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R! n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-11 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. Powerful video. K&R! |
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