First pediatricians — now NRA aims at sheriffs (FL)

[jpak]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-03-19/news/os-scott-maxwell-nra-extremism-03201120110319_1_nra-lobbyist-marion-hammer-pediatricians-anti-gun

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The NRA and freshman state Rep. Jason Brodeur, R-moran- Sanford, wanted to imprison doctors and fine them as much as $5 million for asking patients questions about gun ownership.

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Part of what the lawmen have done to earn Hammer's ire was to oppose a bill allowing people to openly carry firearms without storing them in safety holsters.

Seminole Sheriff Don Eslinger actually traveled to Tallahassee last week to speak on behalf of the Florida Sheriffs Association, which didn't like this bill.

The association said openly visible weapons make some people nervous — a bad idea in a tourist state.

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The NRA doesn't care about your Florida tourist industry

yup

[aikoaiko]

1. I remember when anti-gun folks said the Stand Your Ground law would decrease tourism..

You were wrong then too. lol.

So much fail. Please, keep posting jpak.

edited to add the historical reference.



watching you appeal to the same ineffective fear mongering is a pleasure.

[X_Digger]

6. Remember this one?

And concealed carry would inhibit tourism..

[aikoaiko]

8. Oh I remember.....

they thought that message was embarrassing, but a lot of gun folks I knew considered it fair warning.

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. The billboards and the BC campaign didn't last very long, did they?

The Brady Campaign's views on Florida gun law turned out to be quite irrelevant to 99.9% of those who were not

Brady Campaign members. Their pronoia was rather amusing to behold...

[Atypical Liberal]

22. right!

I figure it's more like a public service announcement. Might even have a nice side-effect on crime rates.

[russ1943]

13. Here's a historical reference.

In the first full year that the Castle Doctrine bill law went into effect in 2006, the number and rate of persons murdered with firearms in Florida went UP 38% and 42% respectively, from the previous year. http://www.fdle.state.fl.us/Content/getdoc/332e1b3d-2648-4b06-8be5-d322f340c95d/1971_fwd_murder_firearms.aspx

Nationally the US number and rate of persons murdered with firearms from 2005 to 2006 were both less than 4%.
http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/guncrimetab.cfm

The Brady poster was appropriate advice for tourists and Floridians!

[X_Digger]

14. Justifiable Homicide != Murder

Have any numbers on justifiable homicides?

[Euromutt]

17. Can we say "post hoc ergo propter hoc"?

X_digger's got you bang to rights: logically, if the adoption of a Castle Doctrine law were to result in an increase in shootings (fatal or otherwise), it should result in an increase in shootings ruled justifiable, not ones ruled to be criminal.

Once again, correlation does not imply causation. To illustrate, there's a very strong correlation between the birth rate in the Netherlands and the stork population. Does that prove that babies are actually delivered by storks? If you've ever attended a birth, you know that's not the case. Ergo, it's a matter of coincidence.

[aikoaiko]

20. See xdigger, but even more strange is how you ignored the neg % change in recent years.

oh, did you miss those numbers?

lol.

[lawodevolution]

2. I don't care about what some dude who thinks that a badge

gives him more political importance than me says or what some jerk who thinks a badge gives him the authority to rule my life thinks. Open carry, I hope you are ready for it because it's coming to the south. This racist mistake is going to be corrected.

[Euromutt]

16. In fairness, sheriffs are elected officials

And as such, they do have some measure of political authority on the basis of their electoral mandate. That said, though, sheriffs are part of the executive branch of government, not the legislative branch; their job is to enforce the law, not to decide what the law is.

[Abq_Sarah]

3. From reading the article

The Sheriff wanted mandatory level 2 holsters for open carry.

From a retention standpoint, it makes sense for people to voluntarily choose a higher level holster but mandating it is stupid.

As far as openly visible firearms making people nervous..... Get over it.

[Hangingon]

4. unrec.

[OhioBlue]

5. The NRA is ridiculous.

The Sheriff is right. Openly visible weapons do make people nervous and it is a stupid idea for a tourist State.

Why must people feel they need to display their guns anyway? Some kind of macho thing?

[RSillsbee]

10. Can you cite some examples ?

I OC frequently and I've had exactly one person even give me the Stank eye about it most people don't even notice

[OhioBlue]

12. doubt that they don't notice

Why do you feel you need to display your gun?

[RSillsbee]

15. Because I prefer not to wear an IWB holster

It also gets a little warm for a jacket or even a second shirt at times in Colorado.

[PavePusher]

11. Has this been a problem in any other state that allows it and has a lot of tourism?

Vermont?
New Hampshire?
Arizona?
Utah?
Wyoming?
Montana?
Virginia?
etc., etc.....

We'll wait while you dig up some numbers and evidence...

[Euromutt]

18. For that matter, how about "gun grabs" from OCers' holsters?

I've heard of one or maybe two instances of this happening in the past five years or so. It's not what you'd call a common occurrence, as far as I'm aware. I could be horribly mistaken, but I'd want to see some evidence before I concede that I am.

[RSillsbee]

21. When I OC I tend to keep an eye on who's around me NT

[GreenStormCloud]

24. Hasn't been a problem in the states that already have Open Carry.

Why should FL be any different?

[rl6214]

7. You can see the anti gun agenda right off the bat

Nothing either of these dimwits says makes any difference to me.

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

[Remmah2]

19. What's a "safety holster"?

Is that like a child seat for my high capacity "clips".

[benEzra]

23. It would be helpful if the article hadn't garbled the proposal so badly.

I am aware that there is a movement to legalize open carry in Florida. I don't think it has anything to do with "safety holsters," whatever the heck that is. (If they're talking about retention holsters, Florida law doesn't currently allow open carry at all, retention holster or not, so that's a red herring.)

Anybody have a link to an article that actually reports what the legislation would do?