University of Idaho faculty senate opposes guns on campus

[jpak]

http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=14311983

MOSCOW, Idaho (AP) - Professors at the University of Idaho are raising their objections to legislation being debated in the statehouse that would allow firearms on college and university campuses.

The Faculty Senate at the Moscow campus voted this week to send a resolution urging state lawmakers to oppose a bill that cleared the House last week.

The measure aims to strip administrators at universities and community colleges of their ability to prohibit firearms everywhere on campus except in undergraduate residence halls. It would also allow firearms at athletic venues.

Faculty Senate Chairman Dan Eveleth told the Moscow-Pullman Daily News the resolution emphasizes that gun control should be regulated locally.

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Opposition to jackbooted GOP/NRA social engineering grows

yup

[Taitertots]

1. What makes them think their opinions matter?

The real Idaho senate has already decided what the rules will be.

[jpak]

3. They are the citizens that are effected the most by this authoritarian GOP thuggery

yup

[speltwon]

6. no, they aren't.

Those affected most by this expansion of civil rights are the ones who have CCW's but magically lose their right to carry when stepping on to the unsecured, open yet hallowed halls of academia.

Please show me some EVIDENCE that professors at campuses in states where CCW is allowed have suffered ANY actual negative consequences. And no, angst, handwringing, and baseless fear don't count. I mean ACTUAL negative consequences towards professors on those campuses.

Baseless fear should be given little credence by the Idaho legislature

[Bill McBlueState]

4. I'm not sure.

You'd think faculty senates would be used to having control over their universities hijacked by Republican boobs.

[Taitertots]

8. Faculty senates just don't understand that they have to abide by the will of the electorate

Not by the whims of their most fickle members.

[jpak]

16. The majority of UI faculty oppose this GOP/NRA jackbooted thuggery

fickle?

not

[Taitertots]

19. They are certainly fickle if they oppose this law....

for ideological reasons and not based on any real demonstrable danger.

Either way their opinion about it doesn't matter because it isn't a decision they get to make.

[jpak]

20. Guns on campus are a real demonstrable danger

yup

[rrneck]

21. Then demonstrate it. nt

[jpak]

22. Guns kill

Every day

Danger

yup

[rrneck]

23. So do meteorites.

You got nothin'


:rofl:

[Taitertots]

29. So what? That doesn't support the position that legal carry is dangerous to professors

Put guns in the long line of things that are regulated based on their danger to human life. If empirically they are no worse off their is no reason to be concerned. Concealed carry has already been shown empirically to make people no more dangerous outside of colleges, there is little reason to assume that colleges will be any different.

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[speltwon]

9. It's not THEIR universities. It's a public university

It is the people of the state of Idaho's university. It is not the fiefdom of the faculty senate to decide which rights they can chip away at due to their baseless fears.

And if their fears aren't baseless, then please present evidence that prof's at "can carry" campuses suffer negative consequences from those evil students with gunzz.

[Bill McBlueState]

12. I'm sure most voters in the state of Idaho want intelligent design taught

in the biology classes, too.

Democracy does not mean that the electorate has immediate authority over everything that happens at the state's institutions.

[speltwon]

14. It also doesn't mean

that curricula decisions are analogous to civil rights issues. The former ARE proper subject matter for educational professionals

[Taitertots]

18. Exactly, there is immediate authority over laws regarding guns

And none in other cases.

[derby378]

2. And less than 24 hours ago...

Lookee what I found in the Guns forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x389827

[jpak]

5. Completely different story - fail fail fail

yup

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

7. After observing actions of students at UCSD for over 20 years,

that would be the last group I would want armed.

[speltwon]

10. Instead of your desires, how about looking at evidence

Many campuses are in states that allow CCW's on campus. Please show me evidence those campuses are less safe for profs or students.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

24. What is the point of being armed, what are you afraid of.

[Bold Lib]

26. I see you did not respond with any evidence, I wonder why that is. . .

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

30. I asked a question of you," why are you afraid?"

And you asked me for evidence? How do I know your fears, I'm not in your head.

[Bold Lib]

31. "Please show me evidence those campuses are less safe for profs or students."

There are 71 campuses in the U.S. that allow concealed carry. Surly you can come up with SOME evidence that supports your position.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

32. I am not talking about the safety of the campuses, I'm talking

about you, you, the actual person I am trying to communicate with. What do YOU fear, what are you afraid of? What do think would happen to you if you walked the campus without being armed? I didn't say the campuses were less or more safe, I asked for your personal feelings about your apparent need to carry.

[PavePusher]

28. Here:

http://www.crimereports.com/#

Tucson Crime map.

Notice a clustering around the U of A.

Hmmmm....

[rfranklin]

11. I think you make a cogent argument...

having been a college student myself.

[GreenStormCloud]

33. The bill will NOT arm masses of students. Your fears are baseless.

A student who wants to carry can ALREADY get a CCW if he/she meets the requirement, which include being 21. Then they can ALREADY carry everywhere off-campus. The frat parties and such are always off campus. In all the states that have shall-issue people, even students, have an excellent record. Such people will NOT turn into crazed killers just because they came on campus.

You are acting like a gun will be handed out at freshman registration.

[rrneck]

13. Sounds dangerous.

That town is known to have wackos with AK47's just wandering around.

:evilgrin:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. As a college professor of many years...

so what and who cares :shrug:

yup yup

[rl6214]

17. Haven't had a chance to read the newspaper

Probably wouldn't have made the national news anyway,

good thing we've got you here, shtick and all.

YUP

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[lawodevolution]

27. They should feel free to quit their jobs and compete for a job in a

state like NY or california. Those who replace them will be just as gifted and just as intelligent as them.