Violent Crime On Campuses

[GreenStormCloud]

Some people here seem to think that a college campus is magically free of any kind of violent crime and that students don't need to protect themselves at all. But colleges are part of the rest of society and criminal can enter a campus too. The U.S. Dept of Education maintains a searchable database of crime on campus. It can be found here:http://ope.ed.gov/security/index.aspx

Let's take a look at a couple of colleges in Texas, since that is the state that Campus Concealed Carry looks favored to pass in. None of the offenses listed include crimes in dorms.

University of Texas:
First number is for 2007, then 2008, then 2009
c. Sex offenses - Forcible 12 1 10
d. Sex offenses - Non-forcible 0 0 0
e. Robbery 3 6 3
f. Aggravated assault 0 2 3
g. Burglary 21 37 44
h. Motor vehicle theft 11 10 6
i. Arson 4 2 1

Texas State Univ.
c. Sex offenses - Forcible 5 9 1
d. Sex offenses - Non-forcible 0 0 0
e. Robbery 2 1 0
f. Aggravated assault 2 2 3
g. Burglary 34 36 50
h. Motor vehicle theft 8 0 0
i. Arson 1 2 2

Crime does happen on campuses, so people, both students and non-students who happen to be on campus should have the ability to defend themselves.

[bowens43]

1. to think that allowing more weapons on campus

would cut down on violent crime is ridiculous. It's like like saying there would be fewer auto accidenrts if you put more cars on the road.

this whole defend themselves thing is pure bullshit.

[rl6214]

3. Yeah, much better to just let it happen

:sarcasm:

[PavePusher]

4. So, you offering to provide security at your nearest college?

Somehow, I doubt you will.

Answer me this serious question, however: Has the expansion of weapons carry rights caused an increase in crime rates? Cite to evidence, if you please, thanks.

[Callisto32]

11. It's not the stuff.

It's the people.

[PavePusher]

2. And if you pull up a crime map of your favorite college town....

there's always a cluster of events surrounding campuses.

Nope, no need to defend oneself, just give 'em what they want, right?

[HERVEPA]

5. MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! MORE GUNS! That's the answer.

[Upton]

6. Some folks believe in self defense...

if you don't fine....keep a cop in your back pocket instead.

[safeinOhio]

7. Hard to believe such a low crime rate

University of Texas has the fifth-largest single-campus enrollment in the nation as of fall 2010 (and had the largest enrollment in the country from 1997–2003), with over 50,000 undergraduate and graduate students and 16,500 faculty and staff. It currently holds the largest enrollment of all colleges in the state of Texas. Find any city in the U.S of 65 thousand with only 1 or 2 robberies, 2 or 3 assaults and 30 to 50 burglaries and you'd find heaven. All of this in an unarmed community. I'd think those stats would would be a great argument for unarmed other communities.

I think your example blows your argument.

[GreenStormCloud]

8. Unless you are one of the unlucky victims.

The rates are low, but they aren't zero.

[safeinOhio]

9. Accidental shootings aren't zero either.

You keep shooting yourself in the foot with your arguments.

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[MyrnaLoy]

19. Perfect

Observation, wonderful reply!

[postulater]

10. My daughter's boyfriend was just mugged at UW Milwaukee.

The guy had a gun, boyfriend gave him the ten bucks he had and the penny phone. The mugger was upset he didn't have a fancier phone.

Later the boyfriend replaced the phone and found a bunch of voicemails from women.

[Turbineguy]

12. Carry a gun

Get laid?

[petronius]

14. So the mugger was using the boyfriend's phone number?

I hope he reported it to the police - I imagine they could find out who the guy was through the people who called him...

[postulater]

15. Yes he was. I don't know about the police investigation. I'll have to find out.

[safeinOhio]

16. A few of the "accidental shooting" just off campus

by college students with legal guns. Can you assure us these type of things won't occur on campus?

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/jan/09/092046/fsu-student-killed-in-accidental-shooting/
FSU student killed, Tampa man wounded in accidental shooting

http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/Channel/University-Security/News/2010/10/06/Fraternity-Suspended-for-Accidental-Shooting-at-Party.aspx

Fraternity Suspended for Accidental Shooting at Party

[friendly_iconoclast]

17. Yours is merely the latest example of the new prohi meme:

"College students occasionally shoot people off-campus, so guns should not be allowed on-campus."


The previous meme- "There'll be massacres over bad grades committed by some CCW holder" (or something similar) had to be

abandoned due to lack of empirical evidence from the campuses that already allow this.



History is not kind to prohibitionists, is it?

[GreenStormCloud]

18. Neither of those involved people with CCW permits.

Permit holders have been shown to have a much higher standard of safety than the general public. But you knew that those shooting didn't involve CCWers didn't you? But in your eagerness to paint CCWers in a bad light you turned a blind eye to that fact.

[safeinOhio]

20. Not really,

my point is to paint college age people, 18 to 21 as less experienced and more prone to risky behavior than older folks. Suicides, fights and drug experimentation are more common among the young. With the low crime rate on campuses, I see little danger to the unarmed. If some colleges wish to allow guns on campus, that is fine with me. I wouldn't make it a law though, as some may wish to be on a campus that does not allow it. Choice is good for everyone.

[safeinOhio]

22. I don't want to paint CCW holders in a bad light, I am one.

I also am not willing to make them saints either. If you were to take everyone that could pass a CCW background check, I think you would find them as law abiding as permit holders. However there are risk to handling guns. Accidents and bad choices. Until the statistics show campuses to be a risky place to go unarmed, I see no reason to change any laws. I think you could better spend your energy working on "shall issue" laws everywhere than this issue.

[spin]

21. Obviously we need to ban colleges. (n/t)

[safeinOhio]

23. Just ban grades lower than a C-

and they would be safer.