Arizona Bill Would Allow People To Bring Guns To ‘Disney On Ice’

[Zephie]

lready the bellwether of radical policy, the Arizona legislature is now poised to outdo other GOP-led states in the competition for most extreme gun legislation. Yesterday, a House panel approved a bill to let anybody bring their guns into “public establishments” and “public events.”

While current law allows public agencies to declare buildings as gun-free zones by “putting a sticker on the door,” SB 1201 will allow public buildings to keep guns out “only if there are metal detectors at each entrance with a security guards.” Without those measures, which can cost over $100,000, anyone may bring in their own gun.

Under the bill, “public establishments” and “public events” include buildings owned or leased by the state (including courts and libraries) and events conducted with a license or permit from a public entity. While the law exempts events or facilities that serve alcohol — making them provide “gun lockers” if they want to ban guns — events without alcohol would likely have to allow firearms without restriction. Such public places would include “major events such as Arizona Cardinals and Phoenix Suns games or rock concerts.” Or, as one major concert promoter noted, “Sesame Street Live” and “Disney On Ice”:

Burke said it appeared the bill would allow guns at family shows that don’t serve alcohol, such as “Sesame Street Live” or “Disney on Ice.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/26/arizona-gun-bill-disney-on-ice/

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On the bright side, if they're seeing Beauty and The Beast it'll make the angry mob scene much more believable.

[Schema Thing]

1. but does it allow for a sighting-in station?

[Posteritatis]

2. Love how these guys are basically setting up a whitelist

Seriously, I would've figured "here is a list of places you are legally allowed to carry a gun" would fly in the face of what a lot of the more absolutist Second Amendment supporters believe the actual law of the land is on that matter.

[Canuckistanian]

3. I swear, they WANT another Gabby Giffords incident

They know who carries guns in public. And also who's most likely to use them.

They want Democratic politicians scared shitless to go out into the streets.

[blondeatlast]

6. Canuck--you are pretty close to the truth there--I only wish I were

exaggerating. They would never, ever admit it--but that's the bully mindset of these types. I live in a DEEP red district; guns are everywhere and so are political bullies--and there's no shame whatsoever in them.

Not just Dem politicians--Democrats like me in general. I won't put bumperstickers on my car or signs in my yard anymore--I've been damn near run off the road (fortunately a cop saw it happen).

[Upton]

11. Why should anyone feel shame

for exercising a constitutional right? I live in a deep red district also, but all the Democrats I know own guns too...

[catenary]

16. The most ardent anti-gun people are the ones hoping against hope for a massacre.

They practically salivate over the (virtually nonexistent) prospect...purely for the perceived satisfaction of screeching WE TOLD YOU SO

[blondeatlast]

17. Because it's hard for me to exercise my First Amendment rights around here.

Note what I said about being run off the road for having ONE Obama '08 sticker on my car--and God help me if my friends and I talk politics in a booth at lunchtime.

Ah, shit--it got moved to the Gungeon. I'm outta this place, it's a lovely Saturday, I've got LOTS of better things to do than argue with agenda zealots.

[PavePusher]

19. Interesting implied accusation there. n/t

[rl6214]

21. Ahh, so that's why all the idiotic comments

It was in general discussion.

[rl6214]

25. Nice editing job

Wrong post.

[GreenStormCloud]

29. Agenda zealots? Like yourself? N/T

[Starboard Tack]

31. Because it is a "right" that they abuse

They'll be advocating guns in the delivery room soon.

[rl6214]

33. Guns are already not allowed in hospitals

Try again

[Starboard Tack]

37. You're kidding me! How dare they step on our rights?

That damned Brady bunch. Ah well, who wants to go to hospital anyway?

[rl6214]

47. Contrary to what many anti-gun people like to believe

Pro gun people (RKBA) have never said guns should be allowed everywhere. There have to be limits to everything, provided they are reasonable. Most from the bradys, vpc, joyce foundation,coalition to stop gun violence are not reasonable.

[Starboard Tack]

51. So where would you ban them?

[rl6214]

56. Limit them in

Courtrooms, airplanes, the White House,

[Starboard Tack]

65. Why would you "limit" them in these places?

And are these the only places you would place restrictions?

[gejohnston]

66. never really thought about it

but I would say bars, that would include off duty police. Now owners of cop bars will be pissed off at me.
Gun Control Act of 1968 forbids them in federal buildings
prisons of course (hey the guards don't even carry)

[PavePusher]

43. Depends on the state/hospital. n/t

[armueller2001]

69. I can carry into hospitals

In Texas anyway

[Starboard Tack]

36. Reminds me of 60's American backpackers in Europe wearing maple leaves

Like camo

[gejohnston]

67. How so?

[cleanhippie]

12. Tell me, just who IS most likely to use a gun in public?

You made an assertion. Just WHO are you talking about?

[Canuckistanian]

60. It ain't liberals

When was the last time you heard an NPR-listening, latte sipping, Birkenstock-wearing person gunning down the local NRA office?

[cleanhippie]

61. Did someone "gun down" a local NRA office? Oh, you are making things up?

And was there even a point to your fabrication?

[oneshooter]

64. Just ignore him. He is another Canadian who dislikes American laws. n/t

[Canuckistanian]

68. Yeah. Don't trust him.

He may be GOP plant.

[rl6214]

24. Who is they

?

[Canuckistanian]

48. Extreme radical rightist elements

In other words, elected officials in the state of Arizona.

[rl6214]

57. elected officials are elected to do what their

constituants want.

[onehandle]

26. It's all about inciting fear. nt

[Fuzz]

4. I wouldn't trust myself with a gun at Sesame Street Live or Disney on Ice.

[GreenStormCloud]

30. Then you shouldn't carry anywhere. N/T

[Fuzz]

59. lol. Perhaps you are right. I have no patience for crappy bubble gum entertainment. That makes me

unsuitable to carry a firearm.

[jillan]

5. The only hope we have in Az is the business community, yes the Az Chamber of Commerce is starting to

speak out against some of these bills.

SB1070 HURT the business community - and ya know, when it comes to corporate profits being messed with, they will speak out.

[Vinnie From Indy]

7. Imagine the scene

The lights go down and the lovable characters of Sesame Street begin skating onto the ice doing fanciful jumps and twirls. Bert is dancing with Ernie in a center spotlight when all of a sudden a small child in the stands pops his big balloon. The reaction is swift and furious. People begin diving for cover and pulling their own guns to "protect" themselves. Somebody panics and fires a round and then all hell breaks loose. Big Bird was the first to get it because he was easy to spot being so big and yellow and all. The head shot drops the large character to the ice and he slides into the wall around the ice like hockey player being checked on the boards. Grover whips out his piece and makes a jump over the railing into the crowd like Ron Artest at a Pistons game. Not really sure who fired the shot at his friend, Grover simply begins to mow down everyone in row 12. When all is said and done, five are killed and thirteen wounded. Oscar the Grouch was able to ride the horror out inside his trash can, but sadly The Count could not resist counting the shots being fired and he caught a fatal round.

[rl6214]

22. You should write action kids stories

that's about all your rant is good for.

[Vinnie From Indy]

27. .

Your rebuke has wounded me deeply.
What a joy you must be to all that know you.
Cheers!

[spin]

40. Great story. Do you write scrips for TV?

You should, because you would fit right in with the other screen writers. Much of what you see on TV and the movies evolving firearms is fantasy and has little to do with reality.

Florida has issued 1,935,722 concealed weapons permits in the last 23 years and currently 793,809 are valid. Surely in the last 23 years a kid has have popped a balloon in a theater or a car driving by a crowd of people has backfired. Yet no incidents like you envision have occurred. (source: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/stats/cw_monthly.html)

If I were you I would go back to watching the TV and the movies and playing first person shooter games. Reality is just too boring.

[petronius]

54. But Ernie made it, right? Oh, please tell me Ernie's OK!

:rofl:

(I have to quibble with your tactics a bit, though - a head shot on BB would be quite challenging... ;) )

[YllwFvr]

62. Despite the amount of bs I couldn't help but laugh

[MineralMan]

8. Lovely. It's a good thing I wasn't armed at the last Twins game

I attended. The drunken moron sitting behind me threw his beer in the air out of the full cup after a home run, soaking my wife and I. Seriously, I wouldn't have even been tempted, but it's not a good idea to combine arms and drunks in the same places. The usual fist fights that break out in the stands later on in the game could easily turn into shootings.

I have a CCW license in Minnesota. I rarely carry, but this is just plain stupid.

[rl6214]

23. In Texas, you aren't allowed to carry at sporting events

[MineralMan]

28. We're not talking about Texas, actually.

The subject is Arizona.

[rl6214]

49. Didn't say anything about Texas

Just making a statement as to what the law is in Texas.

[rrneck]

9. Guns at Disney on Ice?

SLIPPERY SLOPE! SLIPPERY SLOPE!

[PavePusher]

18. Ba-da Bump! ROFL! n/t

[madrchsod]

10. OH NO!....

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. Keep it up, AZ

You business and recreational traffic is eroding away as it is.

Just keep it up...........

[YllwFvr]

63. Since most states have been passing pro gun laws

Does that mean tourism is dying across america?

[Upton]

14. Oh my God!!!

The ice is going to be literally red with blood! I just know it's true...the authoritarians said so.

[Starboard Tack]

35. Authoritarians usually carry guns

[gejohnston]

42. yes

and want to take yours away while doing so.

[Starboard Tack]

46. Oh, I think not

[rl6214]

50. Authoritarians usually try to impose their will on others

and pass useless feel good measures that have no effect on anything.

[GreenStormCloud]

15. Please tell me how NOT having the metal dectectors is keeping guns out now.

Do you REALLY think that criminals obey the "no guns" signs?

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. Butbutbut, some *believe* those signs are effective. How dare you question their faith?

Meanwhile, the rest of us realize they are the same as sternly worded letters from the United Nations, or those

stupid "COEXIST" bumper stickers- the people who need to read them the most either ignore them or never read them at all.

[spin]

39. A criminal will walk up to the entrance, see the sign and leave...

It happens everyday. That's why people put this sign on their front doors.

[rl6214]

20. You can tell it's a weekend

All of the most idiotic comments to be seen on DU.

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[PavePusher]

44. It's still a great place in many ways...

if you leave your bigotry concealed.

Or better yet, at home, locked up.

[spin]

38. If an establishment wants to ban my licensed concealed weapon..

which I carry for self defense, than they should be required to protect me.

Metal detectors at the door and armed security inside sounds entirely reasonable to me.

I don't like being a duck in a shooting gallery.

[gejohnston]

41. Read about it at Think Progress

They don't deal with dissent well do they? Disagree and what the flames and flags fly. OK but my first post might have been over the top, but I think the point was valid.

[PavePusher]

45. Wow. Lot of lies, hate, bigotry and intolerance over there.

If that's Progressivism, I need to go take a long shower.

[David West]

52. Replied to wrong poster.

Sorry.

[David West]

53. For once I agree with the antis...

Though probably for very, VERY different reasons. This is a stupid bill. It's more anti-property rights and anti freedom of (dis)association than pro-gun. If a private business wants to put up a "no guns" sign and ask people to leave if they know that they are carrying guns, that is their right. Just like it is my right to carry a gun on my land, public land, and the land of anyone else who allows me to. If a no-firearm sign is posted on a business, I just don't let them have any of my money. Pretty simple, really. I don't see how anyone in favor of gun-rights could actually be in favor of this bill.

[gejohnston]

55. If I read it correctly

it applies to public (taxpayer financed and owned) buildings regardless of the event, so I am ambivalent. When it comes to private businesses, I agree.

[David West]

58. I assumed the bill would apply to both...

...seeing as the article mentions several ice shows. I figured those would take place in private venues, but I could well be wrong. If I am, then I guess I support the bill and instead say, "BOOOOO!" to publicly funded ice skating rinks.