VoteProgressive
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:34 PM
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What is the penalty in your state for carrying into places that post "No Guns"? |
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I mean for legal CCW holders.
In Kansas, if caught and charges are pressed by the property owner, it is a $50 fine the first time and a $100 fine the second time. The 3rd time is a fine and possible jail time.
Any other states harsher?
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:44 PM
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...and never could be such places. It's unconstitutional for a start, and unnecessary, for any place to even have such a sign.
Name me one thing in life guns don't make better.
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:48 PM
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2. Cannot even tell if you are serious. |
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:50 PM
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Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 12:52 PM by Davis_X_Machina
...with much of DU now, isn't it. ;-)
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:50 PM
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:49 PM
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4. actually a business can require no guns .... |
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buffalo wild wings for one has a sign up ....
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cleanhippie
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:50 PM
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6. How would anyone know if someone was carring concealed? |
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Sounds like its an advertisement to criminals that the patrons are not armed.
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:53 PM
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9. Well, if the idiots gun drops out like I saw in a home depot. That would be one way..... |
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Home Depot asked him to leave. No police involved.
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:54 PM
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SOunds like he certainly was an idiot.
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:57 PM
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13. Coat pocket deal. Removing coat. Not smart. Home Depot was nice about it though. nt |
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Sat Mar-26-11 03:11 PM
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17. A coat pocket is not a good way to secure a gun |
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When I carry it is either in a holster or in a fanny pack designed for concealed carry.
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Sat Mar-26-11 05:44 PM
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21. In Texas unless it is 30.06 compliant and posted at ALL entrances |
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Edited on Sat Mar-26-11 05:47 PM by oneshooter
It carries no weight of law.
PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY
In order to provide notice that entry on property by a license holder with a concealed handgun is forbidden, Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(A) requires that a written communication contain the following language:
"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."
"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."
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Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements:
includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish; appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
A photocopy of the sign(81/2" x 11")is NOT a legal posting.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor
Oneshooter Armed and Livin in Texas
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cleanhippie
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:49 PM
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3. Unless it is aplace designated by law as a "gun free zone" (we know how well those work, right?) |
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then all the owner can do is ask the patron to leave (but if its concealed, how would they know?). If the patron refuse, then its a trespassing issue.
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Sat Mar-26-11 01:04 PM
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14. That seems like the best solution. |
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Sat Mar-26-11 04:25 PM
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19. Same in Texas, unless they have a 30.06 sign. |
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30.06 refers to the part of Texas law that specifies EXACTLY what the sign must say and how big it must be, and at all enterances. Merely a "no guns" sign is meaningless.
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Sun Mar-27-11 01:57 PM
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28. This is how it works where I live. |
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:52 PM
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8. In Florida I think you get to kill the person who put up the sign |
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and to be reimbursed by their estate for the cost of the ammunition.
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:53 PM
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10. What an idiotic post. nt |
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Sat Mar-26-11 03:31 PM
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18. I bet you spend very little of your time on jokes. Mine about |
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Crisco was funnier, I admit.
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Sat Mar-26-11 12:54 PM
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11. Thats right, they just passed that law. |
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Sat Mar-26-11 03:02 PM
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16. If you claim they were trying to steal it, yes. |
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Sat Mar-26-11 05:04 PM
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Sat Mar-26-11 07:11 PM
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23. No one cares about one person. nt |
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Sun Mar-27-11 01:52 PM
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But when 3 or 4 hundred gun owners call they often change there minds. I've seen it happen several times.
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Sun Mar-27-11 06:22 PM
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30. No one cares about a single customer? |
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Maybe. But CHL/CCW people are often members of gun clubs and ranges. They talk, they post. When there is an alternative source, they often choose the less restrictive vendor.
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Sun Mar-27-11 06:40 PM
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31. I take it you are not a business owner then? |
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Mon Mar-28-11 02:57 AM
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33. Yes, I am. No guns in my place of business. But then I dont live in a wild west state either. nt |
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Mon Mar-28-11 03:04 AM
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35. Unless you live in Illinois or Wisconsin |
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there probably are legally concealed firearms entering your business on a regular basis.
Of course, in IL or WI, it would just be the illegally carried concealed weapons.
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right2bfree
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Mon Mar-28-11 06:14 PM
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38. Nope, Here a person goes to jail, as I have the proper signage, checked by the police, no less for. |
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.legitimacy and legality.
Pack a gun into my store and the perp will be going to jail, unless they run before the police get here.
If I, or an employee, gets the plates on thier car, they will likely be getting a knock on the door by LE.
Cops and the general public around these parts really dont like guns in the hands of the public on our streets, either.
Either way, I just dont want to be around people who are willing to kill others with a gun.
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Mon Mar-28-11 07:05 PM
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39. Rush a cop with a knife and see how he feels about it. |
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Wed Mar-30-11 12:11 PM
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40. Well unfortunately for you, |
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Unless you avoid grocery stores, movie theaters, and other public venues then you are around people with guns, most likely several per day. ZOMG!!! The sky is falling!
I carry a firearm wherever i am not forbidden by law. I am prepared to use that firearm to deliver lethal force if there is a serious threat to my family or my life. What's wrong with refusing to be a victim?
A gun in the hand beats two cops on the phone.
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Sun Mar-27-11 06:43 PM
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32. You just said more than you realize. |
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Think about it and maybe you will figure out why your ideology is so anti Progressive.
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Sat Mar-26-11 06:52 PM
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In WA state, "no guns" signs carry no legal weight.
If the owner/manager asks you do leave and you do not, you can be charged with trespassing. However, that has nothing to do with you being armed except that this might be why you are asked to leave.
If it is concealed, who is going to know in the first place.
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Sat Mar-26-11 08:35 PM
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24. In other places, like the secured area of a jail, or the portion of a licensed |
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liquor-serving establishment that posts 21 and over signs, you forefit your CPL, possible fine, possible forefiture of the weapon.
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Sun Mar-27-11 12:31 PM
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25. True. Those areas are prohibited by law. |
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Sun Mar-27-11 04:53 PM
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29. I don't think I've ever seen a "circle-slash No Guns" sign in WA |
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The local malls notionally prohibit carrying firearms, including "pursuant to a license" but they bury it somewhere in a list of "standards of conduct" in small print to the side of the entrance. There's no big eye-catching signs that would be really difficult to miss.
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Sun Mar-27-11 01:57 PM
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27. The manager or store owner asks you to leave |
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If you refuse its criminal trespass. Pennsylvania
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Mon Mar-28-11 02:59 AM
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34. Criminal tresspass should result in a felony conviction, no? nt |
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Mon Mar-28-11 05:55 AM
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Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 06:05 AM by YllwFvr
its "defiant trespass" 18 Pa. Cons. Stat. 3503 subsection B. Section A is criminal trespass and doesnt fit. and its an M3, a non prohibiting offense.
No I dont think it should be a felony.
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Mon Mar-28-11 02:37 PM
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37. Soup Nazi, "no soup for you." nt |
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Wed Mar-30-11 07:41 PM
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41. Here in Washington, it would be akin to violating a "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" sign |
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If the business says leave, and you don't, then one could be arrested for trespass. However, without hidden metal detectors or security rushing you and frisking you, how would they know if it's concealed?
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