Concealed Carry should only be prevented where metal detectors are used!

[VoteProgressive]

This seems like a simple and easy law to implement.

Otherwise the bad guys could have them.

If I am sure no bad guy is bringing in a gun they I will not need mine.

Hopefully this becomes a nationwide law soon.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

1. Airport level metal detectors are a real PITA and produce massive slowdowns

Most the places that have them outside of airports are even more poorly trained that TSA. Is that what we really want?

[VoteProgressive]

4. It is better than "No Gun" signs or not allowing them in schools.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

6. It is clearly more effective, but will the backlogs etc be worth it?

Earlier this week there was a riot in a Burger King purportedly because someone did not get their Whopper Jr fast enough. Just imagine what would happen when the backlog at a major concert or sporting event?

As a practical matter, since CCWs are becoming widely available, venues need to be willing to accommodate those who carry at some level.

[aquart]

2. You want metal detectors on buses?

Is there no end to stupidity and paranoia?

[VoteProgressive]

3. What do you mean?

Why buses? I want CC allowed on buses. I don't want CCW banned anywhere that there are not already metal detectors.

[spin]

17. I don't believe any laws prohibit a person with a CCW from carrying a firearm on a public bus ...

in Florida. I haven't read of any problems caused by a person with a legally concealed weapon on a bus.

Possession Restrictions

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

o any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
o any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
o any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
o any courtroom*
o any polling place
o any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
o any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
o any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
o any school administration building
o any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
o any elementary or secondary school facility
o any area technical center
o any college or university facility*
o inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
o any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/possession.html

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney nor do I play one on DU.

[safeinOhio]

5. I don't see a need for such a law as

you already have the right to not enter any place with a "no guns allowed" sign on the door. Why hamper the rest of us that are not afraid to enter with out going thru a metal detector? Only about 2 or 3 percent of the people carry, so why bother the 97% of the fearless with a law for you?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

7. Actually there is no need for the "No Guns Allowed" sign

Not everyone carries out of fear.

[Hoyt]

11. The other reasons to carry -- beyond "fear" -- must be dooozies.

In my opinion, when people say they are carrying into most public places for "self-protection" it's really just a euphemism for "fear" because situations where a gun is really needed are not likely to arise. So what are those other reasons -- compensating, intimidation, love, cowboy dreams of being a hero, peer pressure, . . . . . . .

[rl6214]

12. Is that kinda like the only reason not to carry

Because you fear the gun?

[Hoyt]

Nope, guns in public places are not good for society. I know, most gunners couldn't care less.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. Don't project your phobias on the rest of us

[rl6214]

22. I can make statements just like you

"guns in public places are a benefit for society. I know, most anti-gunners couldn't care less."

See how that works? I feel much better.

[Hoyt]

27. Yea, but 300 million feel like me -- play with em at home, but leave them there.

[GreenStormCloud]

33. The fact that they don't carry does NOT mean that they condemn carrying. N/T

[TheWraith]

43. On the contrary, the vast majority of Americans support concealed carry laws.

83 percent, according to Zogby polling, including 80 percent of Democrats.

You are in a stunning minority, much smaller than the right-to-lifers.

[TheWraith]

19. "situations where a gun is really needed are not likely to arise"

So then, can you affirm that you don't have any form of health insurance, fire insurance, life insurance, smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, emergency supplies, and that you never buckle your seat belt while driving? Because those are all hedges against unlikely events, many of them far more unlikely than getting assaulted. But, by your standard, anyone who prepares themselves for an unlikely event must be living in irrational fear.

[Hoyt]

30. All of them are unlikely, including being assaulted if you take unarmed precautions.

Do you carry a defibrillator? You will likely need one someday.

Not worth the societal negatives from allowing easy carry in public places.

If only someday, we'd look on wearing a gun in public like wearing a mink or exotic animal's coat.

[TheWraith]

42. And if you never drive, you'll never need a seatbelt.

Most people who need to protect themselves don't have the option of just "taking unarmed precautions." If you live or work in a bad neighborhood, if you have a job that involves carrying money or drugs, or if you just happen to piss of the wrong person or have a psychotic ex, you don't get to choose whether or not you're in a particular situation at a particular time.

By the way, you're contradicting yourself up above--you implied that anyone who prepared for something so unlikely as being assaulted is living in a state of paranoia. More to the point, you have yet to point out these supposed "societal negatives" from allowing law abiding people the means to defend themselves in public.

[GreenStormCloud]

32. The TOTAL probability of facing violent crime isn't small.

The probability of having to defend against violent crime on any particular day if extremely small, but not zero. However, each time one takes a chance the TOTAL probability of an event happening increases until it becomes a likely event. Further the daily probability becomes greater as one becomes increasingly vunerable as one gets older. Therefore, I carry because my crystal ball is badly out of tune and I can't tell when an event may happen.

[RSillsbee]

45. Some of us carry

just to piss people like you off

[GreenStormCloud]

8. Because criminals don't pay attention to "no guns" signs.

Unless a no-guns sign is ENFORCED, to a criminal it means "easy victim zone".

[safeinOhio]

9. Yet, 97% of the population

walks around unarmed, most without a worry in the world. As I said, you have the right to not go any place that has a sign on the door. If that sign makes everyone nervous the will stop going there and the business will die. I don't see that happening. In fact, some, perhaps most feel safer when they see that sign.

I work at night in a store, in my new job, alone from 10pm until 6am. I am not allowed to carry a gun. I don't worry about it. They have about 6 stores in town and none of them have every beer robbed at gun point. I'm sure you wouldn't do my job. I like it and don't worry. Everyone is different about fears.

[rl6214]

13. Well 7-11s get robbed all the time

so if you are going to work in one, I would be afraid if I were you.

[safeinOhio]

16. Well , you aren't me and

I'm not afraid. The days I don't work, a little old lady does and she's not afraid either. I've been beaten and knocked out in the ring, I've had guns pulled on me 4 times when I was not armed. I'm still here and not scared of either. But, that's just me. I'm in my 60s and too old to let fear get in the way of my life. I do fear for my loved ones, but not for myself. Generally I only carry when I'm with loved ones and friends to protect them. I might carry when I'm on a jog or walk for dogs and it's a 22 or 32 at the most. I don't really want to shoot a dog and I sure don't want to shoot a person.

[rl6214]

23. So you DO carry, sometimes

If you don't fear, then why do you carry?

when you are carrying to protect your loved ones and an establishment has a no guns sign, you turn around and walk away?

[safeinOhio]

41. That or I take it out and

leave it in the car. No big deal.

[safeinOhio]

18. here is how they think

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=58a_1180139512

armed robbers robbing a gun store.

[GreenStormCloud]

34. At the gun store that I use that would be suicide for the robbers.

Every member of the store is armed.

[VoteProgressive]

10. You do not think it makes an armed robber.....

feel better when he sees that sign? Like maybe his chances are better?

[safeinOhio]

14. Nope, never give it a thought.

I'm aware, as he is too, that off duty LEOs carry. I don't really think the robber gives much thought to consequences. If he did he wouldn't be a robber. Where I work, it is well lit up, I have a panic button and there are many obvious cameras. My guess is the crook gives more thought to getting caught than getting shot. Most, not all, shootings are about drugs, lovers or disrespect. Most people go about their day without regard to personal violence. Few are victims.

[Hoyt]

15. Find us a study that shows increased crime in churches, restaurants, parks, etc., with such signs.

Bet you can't unless it's some TBagger type outfit.

[VoteProgressive]

20. Show me a study where CCW citizens increase gun deaths or increase crime.

Because if you cannot, then them having guns does not hurt anyone. Can only help.

[Hoyt]

26. Guns in public are like mink coats, smoking, corporate campaign financing, etc. Should not carry.

Won't help a thing long-term. If we keep going like we are now, in 20 years there will just be millions more weapons out there for nefarious purposes. But, the pro-carrying crowd could not care less about society when it comes to their inability to leave home without one tucked in their waistband.

[rl6214]

24. Show us a study that shows the number of

gun stores robbed at gun point.

Bet you can't.

I'd even be willing to bet you can't find a single report of a gun store robbed at gun point.

[Hoyt]

25. I asked you first. But if you feel safe hanging out in gun stores, go ahead.

Gun stores have too many folks drooling over the latest weapons and caressing them like they are a lover or something.

[VoteProgressive]

28. It is a hobby for some. Talk to some sometime. They are nice people. nt

[Hoyt]

29. Grew up with them. I agree. But, more than a few should never be allowed to carry.

In fact, if I took the 10 or 12 folks I've know well who were heavy into guns -- 8 or roughly 70% should not be allowed near a gun in public. And, if I throw in those I've known some, but not well, then . . . . . .

Besides, I think carrying in public separates the hobbist, etc., from the more concerning type.

[VoteProgressive]

31. I 100% agree that some CCW holders are too excited about a gunfight....

But I think the percent is really low. Maybe 2%.

And I agree, before I got my CCW license I thought it was a higher percent.

But after getting it I was around them more because of classes or shooting range.

Most are decent folks. Now, I say 80% are right wing GOP supporters but most of that is based on their gun worries only. One issue voters which wde all know is stupid. But even the right wingers I talk to do not want to pull their gun and would do almost anything to avoid it.

[Hoyt]

35. I understand. But my experience with the ones I've known is different. And

If 80% are GOP and therefore more likely to be a threat to society, why should we endorse carrying. I'm fine with some exceptions -- but it is too easy now. It's just not a good message for future generations. We may have to slowly wean the carriers off their whatever I'm allowed to call it, but we need to go ahead and bite the bullet and start now. Maybe the next generation won't whine so much over sensible gun laws and mores.

[VoteProgressive]

36. What do you mean by "too easy now"? Do you think it is too easy....

to get a CCW license?

I was 100% where you were a couple of years ago. I HATED when CCW was approved by Florida and was 100% sure it would cause shootings in the street. And gun battles between CCW holders.

But all I have read and researched showed me it has not caused many issues at all.

Now, I agree, that if we could remove all the handguns from all criminals and prevent them from getting them again then I would surrender my handgun and license and favor stopping CCW today. But no way to do that with 90 - 120 million handguns in circulation.

My only reason for favoring it is that the honest citizens deserve to be armed if the criminals are.

I would suggest that you take a CCW course in your state. You don't need to get a license but just take the course. I think it would be a good experience. It might not change your mind but it might.

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[Hoyt]

39. Don't know KV, but I wouldn't lie about something like that. I don't want to carry. Don't need to.

[Hoyt]

38. I appreciate what you post. But I don't want to carry or pass the easy video lesson.

Please show me a CCW course that teaches "leave them at home" and I might go. However, don't want to listen to some gun carrying instructor's propaganda. IMO, that is what it is, and the watching a video ain't nearly the criteria we need to be using to grant a license to carry a gun in public.

[VoteProgressive]

40. OK, your mind is pretty made up which is fine. Good luck to you! nt

[DWC]

44. Concealed Carry CAN only be prevented where metal detectors are used!

Anyone who thinks criminals and Bad Guys care about laws or signage needs to have a serious reality check.

Semper Fi,