Ohio Senate passes bill allowing concealed firearms to be carried in Restaurants/Bars (SB17)

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

Whole article here: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7757
Text of SB17 here: http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=129_SB_17

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The Ohio Senate has passed Senate Bill 17, sponsored by Senator Tim Schaffer (R) which will allow citizens who hold a valid concealed handgun license (CHL) to carry a firearm in restaurants. To do so, license holders may not consume any alcohol and must not be under the influence of alcohol or drugs. According to OpenCarry.org, 42 states (including every state that borders Ohio) allow non-drinking license holders to carry firearms in restaurants.
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Having passed with a 25-7 margin in the Senate, SB17 will now be taken up for consideration in the Ohio House, where similar versions have already passed from committee, but not yet received a full House vote.

Basically, with the Senate having passed it, the hard part is over. The House will pass it, as several versions are always floating around the House. Then it heads to Kasich's (R) desk to be signed. Even the old governor, Strickland (D) would have signed it. Strickland (D) was more pro gun than Kasich.

Soon, likely before summer recess, Ohioans with CCW permits will be allowed to carry in all of their favorite restaurants (provided they are not drinking themselves). Also, carry restrictions within vehicles will be lessened and the bill pardons any prior offense in the past that would now be legal with SB17 in effect (ex post facto expunged).

Looks like Ohio is catching up to it's neighbors! :applause:

[rpannier]

1. So if I own a restaurant and have a policy that says you can't bring a firearm into my place of

business.. Then what?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

4. As with any private property or business, the right to prohibit firearms is certainly reserved.

If you have a "no guns" sign posted on all your entrances (persuant to the law) then people with firearms cannot carry on those premesis. If you catch someone violating your rule, you may certainly ask them to leave on that basis. If they refuse to leave, call the cops - you've got a case of criminal tresspass.

Basically, your business/property... your rules. Very Easy.

[rpannier]

5. Just checking. Thanks

I've seen some people (here at DU and other places) who feel that I shouldn't be allowed to prevent people from bringing guns into my establishment. (The discussion at the time was about convenience stores)

I was curious about whether the law was written by people like that.

It doesn't seem like an unreasonable bill -- no alcohol, preservation of private property rights, etc.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

6. The article seems to indicate that forty-some other states do it...

so it's not totally crazy or anything. Plus, being drunk/drinking and carrying a firearm in public was ALREADY illegal. Banning guns in restaraunts was redundant and uneeded. The bill doesn't really do much except make driving less restrictive and allow you to visit places that let *other* people drink.

As to property rights, I agree that owners of property should have say as to the conditions of entry.
They just need to keep this in mind:

No permissible entrance (when armed) means I'll choose to spend my money elsewhere.
My valid permit means I have never committed a felony or other violent crime.
My valid permit means I have submitted fingerprints to state & federal authorities.
My valid permit means I have passed state and FBI background checks.
My valid permit means I have passed state mandated training to carry/use my firearm.
How much do you know about your other customers??

[onehandle]

2. Yes. Ohio is FANTASTIC these days.

Go Ohio?

[Botany]

3. We got to change the name of this state

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HSy0IMZDACk/TPwA62p1b1I/AAAAAAAADUs/IqQ3aMVJeM0/s1600/redneck+with+guns.jpg

to dumbassistan.

[onehandle]

7. Gun Porn!

Literally.

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[safeinOhio]

8. Kasich won't sign it.

He hates guns.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

14. NRA gave Kasich a B in the 2010 election.

Ohio Buckeye gives him a "C" and NRA gives him a "B" rating.
While I wouldn't call him pro-gun... he's certainly not anti-gun.
From 1990-1996, he only voted for 20% of Gun Control endorsed legislation.

The Bill passed in the Senate with close to a 4:1 majority. And in the House 71 out of 83 graded representatives have NRA "A" ratings. This bill is going to FLY through the house. Don't even try to follow it's progress... you'll get whiplash. In all, about 84% of ohio legislature will likely vote for the bill.

A) Do you really think someone who "Hates Guns" gets an NRA "B" rating?
B) Do you really think someone with an NRA "B" rating is going to veto "Guns in Bars" when it has 83%+ representative support?

You must be posting drunk on DU again. :beer:

[safeinOhio]

16. Get your facts about him straight.

"Kasich voted for handgun restrictions in 1986, voted for a ban on deer hunting in 1992, and voted for the Clinton/Schumer Gun Ban and earned an F rating from the NRA in 1994.

"He went on to vote against stopping the harassment of law-abiding gun owners by the BATFE in 1995, voted against big game hunting in 1997, voted to restrict gun shows in 1999, and voted twice to increase background checks aimed at closing down gun shows.

"Maybe the worst came in 1999," said Irvine shaking his head, "when Kasich voted for the D.C. Gun Ban. It's not just one vote, it's a pattern of hostility toward gun owners. You just can't run from a record like that."

The National Rifle Association's John Hohenwarter observed, "Kasich's stance on the Second Amendment changes from year-to-year like the weather changes from day-to-day."
ttp://rightdemocrat.blogspot.com/2010/10/john-kasich-covers-up-anti-gun-record.html

If you think because he is now for gun rights then you must agree with Obama's new found respect for the 2nd and agree that on the same facts on the his previous record and the one he has now, Obama also should be getting a B rating, unless it the NRA is just about Republicans and non-half Irish people?

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

17. Even if his past record is spotty, he'll have a bill on his desk with 80% support

one of three things will happen...
A) He'll act like a typical politician and choose the popular choice regardless of his stances. He'll sign the widely supported bill that made it to his desk. Politicians do generally whatever is popular to get reelected... Kasich is no different. He'd argue that the Sky is green if it would help him politically.

B) He'll veto a fellow republican's bill despite it's representative support - an action that will cost him votes as well as support from his own organization. His veto will simply be overridden and it will become law without his signature. Ohio only requires a three-fifths supermajority to override vetoes - they've easily got that covered in both houses.

C) He can choose not to sign it, pick no sides, and let the bill become law on its own in 10 days.

He can sign the bill and keep his political career under control. Or he can veto and suffer political fallout from voters, democrats, and his own party. Or he play dumb and not even acknowlege the issue. Same outcome... different choices.

[benld74]

9. I'll HAVE what he's having - Click - Now,,,,,,

[sharesunited]

10. Carry and drop? More guns in more hands beneficial to society?

Ridiculous.

[rl6214]

12. You'd better just stay home

keep yourself safe and all.

[lawodevolution]

13. tell that to nigerians, no guns and lots of violence, then tell that

to the swiss, lots of guns and no violence.

Also there is the inconvenient trend that guns with high rates of gun ownership have much lower violent crime rates than countries that have low gun ownership rates

[armueller2001]

15. Probably not MORE guns

Just fewer idiotic restrictions on locations that permit holders can carry them.

I know, I know, the rivers of blood will flow in the streets. Didn't happen in any of the other 40 states, but somehow this one is different.