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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:31 PM Original message |
OUR OPINION: Why mess with success since gun laws are working? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. They want to keep crime rate low. Difficult with gun proliferators pushing guns and accessories. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The statistics prove you wrong again ... |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I'm sure hoyt can read, I'm sure it knows the truth by now. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Do you honestly believe that people who are pro-gun control are only |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. It would certainly seem to be the case. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. How do you know that they are not outraged by vehicular homicides? |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. If they are, they are remarkably quiet about it. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Ever heard of MADD? |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Not lately. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. CCW & DUI. No, I don't equate the two |
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lawodevolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Yes, you have no data and evidence to support the false belief that gun control reduces crime |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
53. You are now referencing failed states to support your position |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. Here's the rub. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Aye. nt |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
78. To save a few 1000 lives. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-14-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Do you actually believe more folk parading around with guns is the reason for any decrease in crime? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. "Whatever, your guns ain't the reason." Care to attempt to prove that statement? |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That's not the claim he made... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Well one thing is obvious and you can't logically deny it ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Not more crime. Just more gun deaths. Interesting. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Do more knives equal more knife deaths? nt |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I don't know. Maybe certain types of knife |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. What is the relationship of the knife |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I have lots of knives. Never saw any as a weapon |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. That's probably because |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I think blade length is the usual parameter when classifying knives as |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. How far is your heart |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Your heart is pretty well protected |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Not to mention put out eyes. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Not sure what your point is here |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Regulating knife configurations is as futile |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Yes, but we can't ban people. Those who want to misbehave always will. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. When you restrict options for criminals |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. "a disadvantage in a disparity of force and any reduction will effect them more. " |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Deleted message |
Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Please don't put words in my mouth. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I don't have to put them there. That's where I found them. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I see you've picked up the "cowboys" from another member here |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. So what type of DEFENSIVE weapon would you agree to? n/t |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. That's a good looking Bark River blade in the second picture ... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. They do indeed. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Bark River blades are convex ... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. I like my tanto blade. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Agreed. (n/t) |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I have a Kukri that was given to me. The Nepalese Sgt. Major carried it thru three wars. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
40. I haven't found any statistics that indicate more gun deaths ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #40 |
63. Sorry, meant to say more potential gun deaths. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I will agree that the proliferation of firearms ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Good points |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. That is the challenge ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I don't say that more guns equals more crime either. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. People do carry them around for personal protection without serious problems ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I understand that and it is good to know it has mostly gone well |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Imagine yourself as a criminal ... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Because |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
37. Moving the goalposts, AGAIN! Your dishonesty is disgusting. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Spin spin spin spin spin |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Can you prove my statistics wrong? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. The spin is in the implication in your interpretation. Faulty causality. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Firearms are often used in many violent crimes ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. The graphs and stats are interesting, but still leave much to interpretation |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Since gun deaths are dropping.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. I wish! I think we could say that when we don't have to think guns at all |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. I do not see more firearms as a solution to crime ... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Couldn't agree more |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
44. You support #1. Just as you support UK gun laws and disarming police. n/t |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I support either one, but prefer the second not the first. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
73. So you do support UK style gun laws and disarming the police. n/t |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I would support that if a better solution can't be found |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. As usual, you are as wrong as you could possibly be. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Because he has no other meme. That is all he knows. n/t |
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tech9413 (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:23 AM Response to Original message |
7. As far as Maine is concerned, I don't see any need for a change either |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Beautifully and thoughtfully said. A voice of sanity. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. You seen to believe that a loaded firearm is extremely dangerous ... |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I'm back. My carry weapon behaved itself ... |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-16-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
66. +1 |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
10. What makes Maine a success? 6.5 gun deaths/100,000 |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
77. that's 10 times the rate of gun deaths in Canada. |
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