Top 10 accidental deaths reasons, age 1-17

[Logical]

2007 was the last year the CDC reported this. But as you can see firearm accidents for kids, and I used < 18 as a kid to get the widest range, is 8th on the list. If you use age 10 and under, then firearm accidents are not even in the top 10.

1 - Unintentional Motor Vehicle Traffic = 3,644
2 - Unintentional Drowning = 844
3 - Unintentional Fire/burn = 458
4 - Unintentional Poisoning = 379
5 - Unintentional Suffocation = 280
6 - Unintentional Pedestrian, Other = 208
7 - Unintentional Other Land Transport = 196
8 - Unintentional Firearm = 111

So according to this, the country should be outraged about lack of life guards or lack of the swimming pool industry to make their products safer. And states should pass more laws trying to make pools safer.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html

[slackmaster]

1. Free swimming lessons for poor kids would save more kids' lives than any conceivable gun law

:hi:

[Logical]

4. +1.....sounds like a good idea actually. n-t

[koffeekup]

2. Firearms = 8th, and how many of those 111 dead were gang shootings?

Great post of very important statistics that so many forget.

[Logical]

3. These are only the non-intentional shootings. Gun accidently went off.

[koffeekup]

6. Yes. That is the first thing a gang banger says after shoooting someone.

The gun went off accidently. All he did was point it in the general direction to scare the guy.....

[cleanhippie]

5. Hey now, facts are not appreciated here. It does not fit the prohibitionists agenda.

[jpak]

7. Let's see - which are preventable?

Motor Vehicle Accident - we require cars seats foe young children and airbags/seat belts for older children.

Drowning? yup - preventable if parents are made aware of the dangers of pools of all sizes.

Fire - we require smoke and carbon monoxide detectors and flame-resistant fabrics

Poisoning - we require child-proof caps on medications and label all other household poisons so parents can store them safely

Other Land Transport - ???? not enough info - keep kids off of ATVs without supervision.

Firearms????????

Oh yeah - highly preventable if morans take the time to secure their guns and ammo and keep them away from kids.

and yeah - pediatricians should be able to ask about ANY of the above without asshole Florida GOP/NRA morans fining them $5 million bucks and taking away their licenses.

yup

[Logical]

9. How telling that you did not call the parents of kids who drown "morans".....biased much?

[LAGC]

12. What's your point?

There are already laws on the books regarding negligently leaving firearms accessible to children.

Enforce them.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

16. funny, I have seen the elderly ask young ones to open those

"child-proof" caps.........

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. All accidents are preventable...

[NewMoonTherian]

19. I think they should be able to ask.

However, parents should be able to say "That's none of your damned business, and I won't be answering you." That goes for questions about any of the items in the OP. The information is not relevant to any decision the pediatrician might make.

(edit for clarity)

[YllwFvr]

21. I agree, most are preventable

however if a doctor asked me about my firearms, I would inform him thats on a need to know basis, he doesnt need to know if I own any. I would also tell my kids you dont talk about guns with anybody.

[Logical]

43. Do you ever reply to posts? n-t

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[Logical]

10. I am not even sure your post makes any sense.....

Can you re-write it to clear up what you are trying to communicate?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

11. are we reading the same thread? I do not see that at all. Looks like

a civil discussion unless you are talking about jpak's usual sarcastic reply ...... and then, of course, yours ...........

[slackmaster]

13. You have quite an active imagination, Cirque

:crazy:

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[Scuba]

14. Please find one more stat: how many INTENTIONAL gun deaths of children?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

15. hmmm... I would think that if you wanted to bring that to the discussion

that you would be interested enoough to do your own research ..... just saying

[Logical]

23. Isn't that already against the law? How are you going to stop them? Please give details.

[YllwFvr]

20. you are missing the point

antis say even one death is far too many.

[TheCowsCameHome]

22. One is too many.

In any catagory.

[rrneck]

24. That includes the people who

are unable to defend themselves because of your ideology.

[TheCowsCameHome]

25. One is too many.

Simple enough?

[Logical]

26. So one homeowner killed by a bad guy because he did not have a gun is tragic also?

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. The death of a homeowner is tragic.

for any reason. What is so goddamned difficult to understand about that?

[Logical]

29. So he should have a gun to defend himself? n-t

[TheCowsCameHome]

31. Ask him.

[Logical]

32. I am asking you who seems to think he should not. Use some logic please. n-t

[TheCowsCameHome]

34. Did I say that?

No. I said one death is too many. Nothing more, nothing less.

Read my OP

[Straw Man]

41. No, you didn't.

You merely stated a meaningless truism.

I recommend "Tea for Two" as an excellent tapdance number.

[rrneck]

27. For you.

Do you have a way for someone to defend themselves from assault by another who is wielding a knife, club fists or feet that does not involve a firearm?

The answer, if you have the courage to produce it, should be equally simple.

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. A firearm is the only way, evidently,

in your simple world.

[Logical]

33. Please explain the solution in your magical world...I will be waiting. n-t

[TheCowsCameHome]

36. I can't . I'm stumped.

A firearm is the only way. You're correct. There is NO other way in the world to protect oneself from harm. Absolutely none. It can't be done. It's a proven fact. Everyone knows that. You win. Go to the head of the class.

Gosh, the gungeon is so fortunate to have you.

[Logical]

39. Just "wishing bad things don't happen" might work for you. Try it. n-t

[TheCowsCameHome]

45. So far so good, but wait,

I think there's something moving out in the bushes.

Gotta run......bye.

[Straw Man]

42. I am Straw Man...

...and I condemn this message as a usurper!

[TheCowsCameHome]

44. ....And aptly named.

[Straw Man]

47. Ladies and gentlemen, the irony is flying over your heads...

...at an altitude of 15,000 feet.

Get it?

[rrneck]

35. Life gets pretty simple

in last five or ten seconds before you die.

[TheCowsCameHome]

37. I couldn't tell you.

What was it like?

[rrneck]

38. I don't know.

And I don't want anyone to find out because I have a pet cause to push, no matter how worthy, and don't mind throwing them under the bus for it.

You got that solution yet?

[one-eyed fat man]

40. You remember this Public Service Ad

Cease Fire PSA

The plot of the PSA is as follows:

A child opens a closet door and looks at the top shelf. He drags a chair to the front of the closet and stacks books and boxes on the seat. He climbs up and reaches for a gun on the top shelf.

MICHAEL DOUGLAS (voice over):

If you think your kids aren't old enough to find your handgun, think again.

The child turns the gun around, pointing it at his face. We hear a SHOT and we see a graphic with the following statistic: "10 children are killed by a handgun every day." The Cease Fire logo and web page address appear.

Part of the reason this ad is effective is it uses the image of a toddler to fix an image in your mind, then goes on to say 10 children a day are killed by a handgun EACH DAY. TEN A DAY!!! That's 3,650 children a year who the sponsors of the ad want you to believe are preschoolers who blasted themselves by finding a loaded gun "hidden" in the home. The intent is to have you tie the number "30 children" to the image of a young black child.

As you point out, if you include everyone under voting age as a child the number is 111. If you pick the 4-5 age group as shown in the PSA it is 14.

So how do you turn 14 a year into 10 a day?

First, let's define "children" as up to age 23, after all the IRS will let you count your college student offspring as dependents at 23. Second, include suicides, homicides, and legal intervention.

This is a big boost to the numbers as the crime rate follows the proportion of young males in the population. Both the victims and the perpetrators of crime tend to fall in the 18-25 age category. This way you get to count in homicides both innocent victims, and any criminals dispatched by the police.

One of the leading causes of death amongst teenagers is suicide. The Centers for Disease control report that it is the third leading cause of death, behind accidents (all types of accidents, mostly motor vehicle) and homicide, of people aged 15 to 24. Even more disturbing is the fact that suicide is the fourth leading cause of death for children between the ages of 10 and 14.

For further discussion on techniques used to manipulate a message:

techniques, part II

[lawodevolution]

46. Dishonesty is how the anti gun groups function

[Logical]

49. It is because most people believe anything they see on TV, like gop voters. n-t